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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #760 on: January 26, 2010, 05:14:28 PM »
Q 202 How is it possible for say a LE warforged barbarian, or a LN warlock, to still keep all of their abilities? Aren't barbarians "alignment: any chaotic"? I've been seeing this a few times in adventure write ups done by WotC (and we know they never screw up...) where the class the NPC has, does not fit the alignment that they should have, yet they still have all of their abilities.

Base classes aren't like PrCs, you still keep the powers when you fail to meet the prereqs. Some base classes have a special clause though, like paladin and monk.
Lawful barbarians lose Rage, but keep everything else.  Non-lawful Monks lose nothing but the ability to advance as a Monk.  Paladins are instantly reduced to being just barely above Warrior levels.  Warlocks and Crusaders can, strangely enough, apparently still advance even after changing alignment to an ineligible one (there is no "ex-warlocks" or "Ex Crusaders" paragraph).
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #761 on: January 26, 2010, 05:34:40 PM »
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Q200: Has anyone heard of/knows the source of a prestige class called something like Exterminus Arcanus... it sounds fake to me but one of my players claims it comes from Dragon Magazine but I never heard of it or anything with a similar name.
There is a 3.5 LN deity named Arcanus who was the original Spellsword. I think Extreminus is spelled wrong. I think it's supposed to be Extreminatus instead. It's a cleric or paladin (for bab) type of PrC as far as I know, but unless he's worshipping Arcanus, the answer should be a no regardless. He'd go up arcane levels, probably like a spellsword (which is what he should be taking anyways since that's what Arcanus is). I've heard of it, but can't recall where from.

Q 203: Is there an easy way to get +7 BAB and Caster Level 7 reasonably quickly without gestalt?

A 203 : Or play a Mystic Ranger.

Play a duskblade. Or cast Divine Power.
Good points. Just depends on whether you want to be a divine caster or arcane caster. As well, when you say CL 7, do you mean able to cast 4th level spells (which mystic rangers can't do at that level yet because they only have 5 lvls of spells), or just a basic CL 7? If you go with a Pathfinder Hexblade, Ranger, Paladin, or any other class that gives you full BAB but half caster level from 4th on, and add Practiced Spellcaster, you'll gain that back. The reason being that the Pathfinder versions make them CL -3 instead of CL 1/2.

Q 202 How is it possible for say a LE warforged barbarian, or a LN warlock, to still keep all of their abilities? Aren't barbarians "alignment: any chaotic"? I've been seeing this a few times in adventure write ups done by WotC (and we know they never screw up...) where the class the NPC has, does not fit the alignment that they should have, yet they still have all of their abilities.

Base classes aren't like PrCs, you still keep the powers when you fail to meet the prereqs. Some base classes have a special clause though, like paladin and monk.
Barbarians have that same clause. If they go lawful, they lose their rage and can not go up higher as a barbarian. Hence my confusion. As for the LN warlock, you're not even allowed to pick that at all. I could see LE or CN, but not LN.

Warlocks and Crusaders can, strangely enough, apparently still advance even after changing alignment to an ineligible one (there is no "ex-warlocks" or "Ex Crusaders" paragraph).
Fair enough. Still though, it says what they are. Or rather, what they SHOULD be. And if they're designed by WotC, they should know better.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #762 on: January 26, 2010, 06:42:09 PM »
Reposting this, I never got an answer:
Q204 Let's say I have a metamagic focused wizard. I happen to prepare a Kelgore's Fire Bolt that is energy Subbed to Electric, Admixed for Electric, Born of Three Thunders, Admixed for Sonic.
Does the Sonic/electric damage I have admixed bypass SR or not?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #763 on: January 26, 2010, 06:43:41 PM »
Q 203: Is there an easy way to get +7 BAB and Caster Level 7 reasonably quickly without gestalt?

A 203 : Or play a Mystic Ranger.

Play a duskblade. Or cast Divine Power.
Good points. Just depends on whether you want to be a divine caster or arcane caster. As well, when you say CL 7, do you mean able to cast 4th level spells (which mystic rangers can't do at that level yet because they only have 5 lvls of spells), or just a basic CL 7? If you go with a Pathfinder Hexblade, Ranger, Paladin, or any other class that gives you full BAB but half caster level from 4th on, and add Practiced Spellcaster, you'll gain that back. The reason being that the Pathfinder versions make them CL -3 instead of CL 1/2.

I'm trying to get a winter wolf familiar, and I want to have it as soon as I can, so I just need arcane caster level 7th and BAB +7, the ability to gain a familiar and the improved familiar feat from CW
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #764 on: January 26, 2010, 06:47:00 PM »
I'm trying to get a winter wolf familiar, and I want to have it as soon as I can, so I just need arcane caster level 7th and BAB +7, the ability to gain a familiar and the improved familiar feat from CW
In that case you're best to go Duskblade which is a full arcane caster, but only gets 5th level spells, Obtain Familiar, and Improved Familiar.

Other than that, not much else besides going Fighter/Wizard or Sorcerer or Warmage and taking Eldritch Knight or Adjurant Champion. Probably be lvl 10 by the time you get those prereqs though.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #765 on: January 26, 2010, 06:51:34 PM »
Q 205: If you take the Obtain Familiar feat, do you have to do it immediately, or can you wait til later levels to summon it?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #766 on: January 26, 2010, 06:54:08 PM »
Q 205: If you take the Obtain Familiar feat, do you have to do it immediately, or can you wait til later levels to summon it?
No, you have to gain it the same way as every other caster gets it. You meet the prereqs, you pay out 100 gp, and you wait 24 hours. If it takes you a level to get those 100 gp, then so be it.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #767 on: January 26, 2010, 07:21:43 PM »
Reposting this, I never got an answer:
Q204 Let's say I have a metamagic focused wizard. I happen to prepare a Kelgore's Fire Bolt that is energy Subbed to Electric, Admixed for Electric, Born of Three Thunders, Admixed for Sonic.
Does the Sonic/electric damage I have admixed bypass SR or not?
If the original spell allowed spell resistance, then any combination of metamagic on said spell does as well.  If it didn't allow spell resistance, the same thing applies.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #768 on: January 26, 2010, 07:37:23 PM »
Q 206: Are there any other sources of Duskblade spells aside from PHB II?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #769 on: January 26, 2010, 07:38:14 PM »
Q 206: Are there any other sources of Duskblade spells aside from PHB II?
http://www.imarvintpa.com/dndlive/FindSpell.php

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #770 on: January 26, 2010, 11:09:36 PM »
Q 207: What is the lowest ECL race/template/feat/whatever combination to get "spellcasting=HD+x"?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #771 on: January 27, 2010, 12:42:27 AM »
Q 208: What's the best race to use for playing a Duskblade, aside from elf (which the PHB II seems to think is the best way to go)?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #772 on: January 27, 2010, 12:55:46 AM »
Q 207: What is the lowest ECL race/template/feat/whatever combination to get "spellcasting=HD+x"?

I believe it's the lesser Phaerimm, but don't quote me on that.

Q 208: What's the best race to use for playing a Duskblade, aside from elf (which the PHB II seems to think is the best way to go)?

Don't trust WotC on this sort of thing. They don't know what they're talking about half of the time. If you're playing a Duskblade, you need good Con so you can survive wading into melee. Elves have a penalty to con.
Anyway, that rant aside, your best bet would probably be something that would be good for a fighter that doesn't penalize intelligence. Depending on how you play, you may be fine even with something that penalizes intelligence.
Random suggestions: Human, Water Orc, Goliath, Whispergnome.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #773 on: January 27, 2010, 01:03:35 AM »
Q 208: What's the best race to use for playing a Duskblade, aside from elf (which the PHB II seems to think is the best way to go)?
A dragonborn fire elf is pretty good. +2 Int, -2 Cha and wings/breath weapon/whatever.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #774 on: January 27, 2010, 01:27:12 AM »
Q 208: What's the best race to use for playing a Duskblade, aside from elf (which the PHB II seems to think is the best way to go)?
A dragonborn fire elf is pretty good. +2 Int, -2 Cha and wings/breath weapon/whatever.
Doesn't a dragonborn anything wipe a race absolutely clean of everything they have, and just make them a dragonborn?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #775 on: January 27, 2010, 01:39:33 AM »
Q 208: What's the best race to use for playing a Duskblade, aside from elf (which the PHB II seems to think is the best way to go)?
A dragonborn fire elf is pretty good. +2 Int, -2 Cha and wings/breath weapon/whatever.
Doesn't a dragonborn anything wipe a race absolutely clean of everything they have, and just make them a dragonborn?
You retain your original ability modifiers and gain the Dragonborn ability mods, so basically Phaedrus is nullifying the Con and Dex +/- mods and ignoring the other things gained from being a Fire Elf
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« Reply #776 on: January 27, 2010, 01:44:21 AM »
You retain your original ability modifiers and gain the Dragonborn ability mods, so basically Phaedrus is nullifying the Con and Dex +/- mods and ignoring the other things gained from being a Fire Elf
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #777 on: January 27, 2010, 04:14:30 AM »
Q 207: What is the lowest ECL race/template/feat/whatever combination to get "spellcasting=HD+x"?

I believe it's the lesser Phaerimm, but don't quote me on that.
I pointed this out in the original thread: Phaerimm are PhaerimmRHD+class level casters rather than RHD+all class levels+casting progressions. I hope this is what you wanted
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #778 on: January 27, 2010, 05:35:53 AM »
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Can the Incantatrix ability Metamagic Effect be used to effect buff spells that have already been cast on herself? The ability says the Incantatrix must be 'adjacent or within the spell effect'. So are you within the effect of your own buff spells? Do buff spells have an area of effect, or is that term totally unrelated to spell effect?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #779 on: January 27, 2010, 08:38:03 AM »
Q 206: Are there any other sources of Duskblade spells aside from PHB II?
http://www.imarvintpa.com/dndlive/FindSpell.php
This link will give you them all.
No it won't. From the sources I know of, the Eberron supplement Forge of War has two new duskblade spells, Swift Ready and Fracturing Weapon. These are not included in the database mentioned.