Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue

[kevin_video]

He's a "flaming" idiot who needs to be "Forced" to take some reading comprehension classes.

That may be, but he's still the DM, and as we know they always get the final say.

[KellKheraptis]

He's a "flaming" idiot who needs to be "Forced" to take some reading comprehension classes.

That may be, but he's still the DM, and as we know they always get the final say.

"How are you going to make a phone call...if you can't speak?" -mouth fleshes over-  Or there's always duct tape!  RL silence ftw!

In seriousness though, you might try and dredge the WotC archives and see if there's an example of that bow being used with energy-charged arrows in play.  If there's a concrete use of it in a game, he might at least respect the precident.  Also, if he's making a physics objection, remind him that "force," i.e. raw newtons, has the exact same value as heat (which I forget the base unit of measure for...), and thus whether it is converted into plain force or stays as heat, still exists and remains on the arrow via Conservation of Energy.  Hope this helps!

[McPoyo]

He's a "flaming" idiot who needs to be "Forced" to take some reading comprehension classes.

That may be, but he's still the DM, and as we know they always get the final say.

"How are you going to make a phone call...if you can't speak?" -mouth fleshes over-  Or there's always duct tape!  RL silence ftw!

In seriousness though, you might try and dredge the WotC archives and see if there's an example of that bow being used with energy-charged arrows in play.  If there's a concrete use of it in a game, he might at least respect the precident.  Also, if he's making a physics objection, remind him that "force," i.e. raw newtons, has the exact same value as heat (which I forget the base unit of measure for...), and thus whether it is converted into plain force or stays as heat, still exists and remains on the arrow via Conservation of Energy.  Hope this helps!

There's references in the books for supporting having a Flaming Frost weapon getting both d6 of elemental damage, as well.

[kevin_video]

There's references in the books for supporting having a Flaming Frost weapon getting both d6 of elemental damage, as well.

See, that he can accept. The same for a weapon that deals damage to you if you're anything but true neutral. It's just the force property that he's got problems with.

[wotmaniac]

There's references in the books for supporting having a Flaming Frost weapon getting both d6 of elemental damage, as well.

See, that he can accept. The same for a weapon that deals damage to you if you're anything but true neutral. It's just the force property that he's got problems with.

unless I'm missing something, all force does is let you reliably hit incorporeal creatures -- from a DM standpoint, I don't see what the BFD is.

[GawainBS]

There's references in the books for supporting having a Flaming Frost weapon getting both d6 of elemental damage, as well.

See, that he can accept. The same for a weapon that deals damage to you if you're anything but true neutral. It's just the force property that he's got problems with.

unless I'm missing something, all force does is let you reliably hit incorporeal creatures -- from a DM standpoint, I don't see what the BFD is.

That DM uses a lot of Incorpereal enemies, and things with DR. Force gets past DR... Apparently, # players who beat his encounters = reduce the size of his dick by # inches.

[McPoyo]

I'd chop it off and walk out of the game if that was his hang up. FFS.

[wotmaniac]

There's references in the books for supporting having a Flaming Frost weapon getting both d6 of elemental damage, as well.

See, that he can accept. The same for a weapon that deals damage to you if you're anything but true neutral. It's just the force property that he's got problems with.

unless I'm missing something, all force does is let you reliably hit incorporeal creatures -- from a DM standpoint, I don't see what the BFD is.

That DM uses a lot of Incorpereal enemies, and things with DR. Force gets past DR... Apparently, # players who beat his encounters = reduce the size of his dick by # inches.

oh yeah, that guy  

you know -- if he's gonna get all butt-hurt over stuff like this, he needs to go back to the drawing board.  he needs to take in account stuff that the PC's can (and will be able to) do, and adjust his encounters accordingly.  retconning the PC's so that your encounters will be challenging is just bad design -- he needs to find some new tricks, and understand that his "go-to" isn't appropriate for all situations.  the whole point of the PC's is to do things that normal people cannot.
I mean -- really?!  it's DR and incorporeal-touch -- BFD!  .... I just don't know what else to say 

I'd chop it off and walk out of the game if that was his hang up. FFS.

TRUTH TO POWER!!!  

[McPoyo]

Should just focus on energy based spells, then, since they ignore incorporeality.

Edit: Or add Collision to the bow. +1 enhancement, +5 damage. Done.

[snakeman830]

Should just focus on energy based spells, then, since they ignore incorporeality.

Edit: Or add Collision to the bow. +1 enhancement, +5 damage. Done.

No they don't.  Incorporeality means they ignore those 50% of the time.

And Collision's a +2 property anyway.

[McPoyo]

Should just focus on energy based spells, then, since they ignore incorporeality.

Edit: Or add Collision to the bow. +1 enhancement, +5 damage. Done.

No they don't.  Incorporeality means they ignore those 50% of the time.

And Collision's a +2 property anyway.

Really? a +2? Hmm.

And my bad, misremembered the Incorporeal entry. Isn't there one in the MIC that's a +1 that does ghost touch and then some?

[wotmaniac]

Should just focus on energy based spells, then, since they ignore incorporeality.

Edit: Or add Collision to the bow. +1 enhancement, +5 damage. Done.

No they don't.  Incorporeality means they ignore those 50% of the time.

And Collision's a +2 property anyway.

Really? a +2? Hmm.

And my bad, misremembered the Incorporeal entry. Isn't there one in the MIC that's a +1 that does ghost touch and then some?

you're thinking of ghost strike, which is a +1 and lets you also sneak attack and crit undead; but it's a synergy ability which requires ghost touch as a prereq (for a total of a +2).

[McPoyo]

Should just focus on energy based spells, then, since they ignore incorporeality.

Edit: Or add Collision to the bow. +1 enhancement, +5 damage. Done.

No they don't.  Incorporeality means they ignore those 50% of the time.

And Collision's a +2 property anyway.

Really? a +2? Hmm.

And my bad, misremembered the Incorporeal entry. Isn't there one in the MIC that's a +1 that does ghost touch and then some?

you're thinking of ghost strike, which is a +1 and lets you also sneak attack and crit undead; but it's a synergy ability which requires ghost touch as a prereq (for a total of a +2).

Alright. I'm going back to bed today. Apparently I put my wrong brain in this morning.

[Agita]

Or maybe he's thinking of Truedeath Crystal, which gives you that plus +1d6 damage vs. Undead for 10k on a +3 weapon.

[bearsarebrown]

Or Serrenwood special material. +4000g for mundane Ghost touch.

[wotmaniac]

Or Serrenwood special material. +4000g for mundane Ghost touch.

or Astral Driftmetal for mundane ghost touch armor (not that his DM will allow such a thing)

[KellKheraptis]

TK grapple them, then either magic jar into a body or transmute it into something corporeal, whilst holding the TK lock, and have it do unpleasant things to itself.  Call it an effigy

[kevin_video]

Q 91 In Savage Tidings there was an Olman Tribe totemist PrC located in the dragon magazines, and built like a ranger. What was it called, and what issue is it in?

Q 92 Is there a device that can be used by a class that can't use magic device, that'll summon skeletons? It's about the only thing my character can afford that'll protect his wife from a possible mind flayer invasion. (I read it online that skeletons are a good way of taking them on.) The DM's being vague, but saying something like harbouring a female mind flayer from her overprotective father could "bite you in the ass", who's also a potential love interest for the red dragon who's considering that route next campaign, never means anything good. Chances are it'll happen while we're away in the Abyss trying to rescue a friend, and I'd rather not have my character come home to a burned down village.

[snakeman830]

A92: There's the Robe of Bones that can sumon up some undead, but they're not under anyone's control.

You might be better off getting one of the Giant Vermin amulets.  They're also immune to Mind-affecting stuff (being mindless).  They're vulnerable to some of the other Mind Flayer attacks, but they're loyal to you and the items are much cheaper.

[McPoyo]

A92: There's the Robe of Bones that can sumon up some undead, but they're not under anyone's control.

You might be better off getting one of the Giant Vermin amulets.  They're also immune to Mind-affecting stuff (being mindless).  They're vulnerable to some of the other Mind Flayer attacks, but they're loyal to you and the items are much cheaper.

Not to mention some of them are downright nasty. The scorpion's improved grab ability, for one, makes it pretty good against non-frontliners.