Azrael

[Epoch16]

Ok bare with me here for just a min. I'm new at this. .. .. .. .

Um. . .So lets say there were a powerful enough chaotic nuetral character roaming around. That character casts time stop. And decided to cast time stop with in the first time stop and decided to do this MANY times over, Couldnt that character spontaniously decide within that time stopped frame, to kill Azrael, and then seek him out while maintaing an near-infinite timestop?

( I know time stop doesnt let you target or directly harm a being, but you could forcecage a person, reverse gravity, gate in a nutronium golem, or some other shenanigans to cause a near instantanious death when time resumed.)

If a character outside of normal time became a threat to Azrael I dont think Azrael would be aware of that threat (due to CoP), because that threat doesnt yet exist in true time. (Is this making sense?)

This of couse doesnt answer how the chaotic nuetral character knew about Azrael in the first place. .. .. .. .

[bearsarebrown]

You cannot be under the effect of Time Stop more the once. They just fizzle out. Just like how you can't cast Mage Armor on yourself 15 times. Bad example, Just like how you can't cast Haste multiple times to stack the dodge bonus.

[Epoch16]

You cannot be under the effect of Time Stop more the once. They just fizzle out. Just like how you can't cast Mage Armor on yourself 15 times. Bad example, Just like how you can't cast Haste multiple times to stack the dodge bonus.

I was unaware of that. Where do I find that ruling/errata for future reference, pls?

And since the whole infinate timestop thing doesnt work, what if, after the first time stop, the chaotic nuetral character planeshifted to a demi-plane that was Timeless, gathered information to find Azrael (I dont know how), then cast a maximized impowered extended (read time-bending shenanigans) time stop to go to Azrael and then assinate him while in a long time stop?

Basically I think the key to defeating Azrael is to attack from outside the range of his senses. If Azrael exists in standard time (even if the time were faster or slower,) something that acted outside of time altogether should be unknowable and undetectable to Azrael or any other being that exists within time, since it operates outside of the normal laws of time in the universe.

Maybe something from the far realm. .. .. .. .

[bearsarebrown]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm#stackingEffects

And Time Stop doesn't block CoP.

[KellKheraptis]

Ardent 10 with dominant ideal, recharge, and the right powers is effectively out of the time stream, and further has effectively infinite actions, and more so infinite actions that can interrupt anyone else's actions.  Not a win, and between his metamind and all powers known/recharge through spells and feats, Azrael can do just as well if not better, but it's effectively a stalemate, as the Ardent will always exist in some time stream somewhere/somewhen, so he never really can die.  Do it as an Elan, and he can do so infinitely, given that he won't die of old age.

[Azrael]

Ok bare with me here for just a min. I'm new at this. .. .. .. .

Um. . .So lets say there were a powerful enough chaotic nuetral character roaming around. That character casts time stop. And decided to cast time stop with in the first time stop and decided to do this MANY times over, Couldnt that character spontaniously decide within that time stopped frame, to kill Azrael, and then seek him out while maintaing an near-infinite timestop?

( I know time stop doesnt let you target or directly harm a being, but you could forcecage a person, reverse gravity, gate in a nutronium golem, or some other shenanigans to cause a near instantanious death when time resumed.)

If a character outside of normal time became a threat to Azrael I dont think Azrael would be aware of that threat (due to CoP), because that threat doesnt yet exist in true time. (Is this making sense?)

This of couse doesnt answer how the chaotic nuetral character knew about Azrael in the first place. .. .. .. .

Even if someone were to try and forcecage me while under time stop/temporal reiteration I have a 20ft antimagic field around me at all times, and a 40ft otiluke's supressing field (one for each school), so they wouldn't be able to; not to mention indigo/violet veils. At the very least nothing can come, or be placed within 20ft of me; 40 ft unless they have a CL higher than mine...which is unlikely.

Also, I can defeat a neutronium golem rather easily, so its no big deal if they gate one...or a thousand in.

[Bauglir]

I suppose a Greater Deity of Time (by Dicefreaks rules) could probably do it by annulling Azrael's temporal accelerations and time stops while ignoring his antimagic fields and dropping Epic Spells. That Salient Divine Abilities plus Epic Spellcasting seem to be the most plausible solutions is not really a good sign, I think. Mind you, I don't have time to figure something out, but I think my entry for the Iron Siege 2 years ago might be a solid stalemate. Not that that really says much, considering it was an incorporeal dry demilich deity with the highest level Rejuvenation SDA who travelled around in a sphere of annihilation modified by epic spells to be immune to the only known methods of destroying one. Its caster level was, ah, nothing compared to Azrael's, in any case, since I think Fusion cheese was explicitly banned and I wouldn't have used it anyway.

[Azrael]

I suppose a Greater Deity of Time (by Dicefreaks rules) could probably do it by annulling Azrael's temporal accelerations and time stops while ignoring his antimagic fields and dropping Epic Spells. That Salient Divine Abilities plus Epic Spellcasting seem to be the most plausible solutions is not really a good sign, I think. Mind you, I don't have time to figure something out, but I think my entry for the Iron Siege 2 years ago might be a solid stalemate. Not that that really says much, considering it was an incorporeal dry demilich deity with the highest level Rejuvenation SDA who travelled around in a sphere of annihilation modified by epic spells to be immune to the only known methods of destroying one. Its caster level was, ah, nothing compared to Azrael's, in any case, since I think Fusion cheese was explicitly banned and I wouldn't have used it anyway.

Well, it might be able to get through the AMF with epic spells but not the veils or the suppressing fields (unless higher CL)...but I mean hes also completely immune to everything as well, including damage so you would have to dispel him first...which he is also well protected against...and even if you do hell just revive in a couple of hours when his psicrystal comes out of time hop; and that's something no one can prevent from occurring since its done in my closed off demiplane within a demiplane.

But yeah, it would probably be a stalemate, but as Kell stated, you don't need that much to stalemate him.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Eh, there are ways of destroying planes.  Some of which are pretty easy to do. 

I figure I can just wipe out the ethereal, which should take out any demiplanes created via genesis as well. 

[bearsarebrown]

Eh, there are ways of destroying planes.  Some of which are pretty easy to do. 

How?

[KellKheraptis]

Eh, there are ways of destroying planes.  Some of which are pretty easy to do. 

How?

NI Lingering Breath+NI Spreading Breath functionally does it.  Level 1 dragonborn with a flaw at that.  Um...my Red Wizard can do it to a planet anyhow with little trouble.  And Epic Spells can affect whole planes.

[bearsarebrown]

That destroys everything on the plane. But can you actually destroy the plane?

All those Metabreath feats do is make the plane uncomfortable to Plane Shift to. I want to remove the ability to even Shift there.

[Mixster]

How do you get around not rolling a one on the CoP other int check to not decrease your charisma and int to 8 for 5 weeks?

Take 10 on it.

Ah then we do not read take 10 the same way.

Cool.

[KellKheraptis]

That destroys everything on the plane. But can you actually destroy the plane?

All those Metabreath feats do is make the plane uncomfortable to Plane Shift to. I want to remove the ability to even Shift there.

3000 mile radius x 150 blasts of this size x 2 twinned, think that covers every geometrically possible part of a planet?  Going off even something Earth-sized, that's doable with merely 4 of those spheres.

[Bauglir]

That destroys everything on the plane. But can you actually destroy the plane?

All those Metabreath feats do is make the plane uncomfortable to Plane Shift to. I want to remove the ability to even Shift there.

3000 mile radius x 150 blasts of this size x 2 twinned, think that covers every geometrically possible part of a planet?  Going off even something Earth-sized, that's doable with merely 4 of those spheres.

Yes, but the space it occupied still exists. The plane may be empty, but it is still a plane. This is a question of making Hell not be there anymore.

[bearsarebrown]

Yes, but the space it occupied still exists. The plane may be empty, but it is still a plane. This is a question of making Hell not be there anymore.

Yes, this is what I mean. Is there such affect short of open ended epic magic/SDAs?

[The_Mad_Linguist]

How do you get around not rolling a one on the CoP other int check to not decrease your charisma and int to 8 for 5 weeks?

Take 10 on it.

Ah then we do not read take 10 the same way.

Cool.

There isn't any other way to read it.

It's an ability check, you aren't distracted, you can take 10.

[BeholderSlayer]

How do you get around not rolling a one on the CoP other int check to not decrease your charisma and int to 8 for 5 weeks?

Take 10 on it.

Ah then we do not read take 10 the same way.

Cool.

There isn't any other way to read it.

It's an ability check, you aren't distracted, you can take 10.

I had a whole debate about this on GitP. Some people think that COP is distracting AND that you are threatened by it. Of course, nothing that I said ever changed that.

[PhaedrusXY]

How do you get around not rolling a one on the CoP other int check to not decrease your charisma and int to 8 for 5 weeks?

Take 10 on it.

Ah then we do not read take 10 the same way.

Cool.

There isn't any other way to read it.

It's an ability check, you aren't distracted, you can take 10.

I had a whole debate about this on GitP. Some people think that COP is distracting AND that you are threatened by it. Of course, nothing that I said ever changed that.

And like I said in another thread, some people still think the world is flat. There might even be some overlap between the two groups.

[BeholderSlayer]

How do you get around not rolling a one on the CoP other int check to not decrease your charisma and int to 8 for 5 weeks?

Take 10 on it.

Ah then we do not read take 10 the same way.

Cool.

There isn't any other way to read it.

It's an ability check, you aren't distracted, you can take 10.

I had a whole debate about this on GitP. Some people think that COP is distracting AND that you are threatened by it. Of course, nothing that I said ever changed that.

And like I said in another thread, some people still think the world is flat. There might even be some overlap between the two groups.

Heh, truth. Believe me, I tried my best. Any advice on what I should say if I find myself in that situation again? Or should I just not care and not try to prove somebody wrong on the internet (c)....