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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #200 on: January 08, 2010, 09:45:17 PM »
Any way to play a permanently collosal character?
Yes, but it's got 18 hit dice and LA +35.

Anything else and what is that?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #201 on: January 08, 2010, 09:46:51 PM »
Any way to play a permanently collosal character?
Be a huge base creature and a level 16 Druid using the shapeshift variant.  You increase 2 size categories when you shapeshift into elemental form.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #202 on: January 08, 2010, 10:35:54 PM »
Anything else?

What's LA 35 and huge?

Also, why 35 LA for huge? You can get that for 2!

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #203 on: January 09, 2010, 12:40:25 AM »
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Q 51: What is the caster level of the Spriggan's spell-like abilities (Fiend Folio)?

Q 52: A Spriggan Swashbucker could qualify for Daring Outlaw all by himself, but what happens when he becomes large-sized?  Would he then lose all his sneak attack?

Sub-question A: Assuming the above Spriggan would lose all his sneak attack, and wants to prevent that, what is the best way for him to gain the +2d6 sneak attack with the least impact to his BAB? I suppose a level of Warblade and two levels of fighter to get Cloak of Deception and Assassin's Stance without a BAB hit?

Edit:  Found the caster-level on-line; CL 8.  That means a Spriggan Fey 5/LA 2/Swashbuckler 9 (or something similar) could fight with Produce Flame, doing 2 full attack touch sneak attacks out of every 3 rounds.

Round 1: Invoke the Produce Flame and throw it at your target, then move into flanking position.
Round 2: Three touch attacks at BAB +11/+6/+1 (and add +5 dex mod to that), plus flanking +2, for 9d6+5 fire damage each hit.
Round 3: Repeat round 2.
Round 4: Touch attack once and 5-ft step away.
Round 5: Repeat steps 1-4.

Not bad.  Sure, resistance to fire hinders it, but still not bad.

Q 53: The Spriggan's Size Change ability - what kind of action is it?  It is a Supernatural ability, and it says "At will a spriggan can change size..."  Does that mean it is a standard action?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #204 on: January 09, 2010, 12:45:47 AM »
Any way to play a permanently collosal character?
True Mind Switch with the Tarrasque? (You have to debuff him first... but it can be done.)
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #205 on: January 09, 2010, 02:00:13 AM »
Something you can use for a build. like with LA and HD.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #206 on: January 09, 2010, 02:01:04 AM »
Any way to play a permanently collosal character?

giant size and persist? is that good enough for you? :P

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #207 on: January 09, 2010, 02:22:13 AM »
Any way to play a permanently collosal character?

Play an Archivist, and learn Giant Size from the Heroism Domain.  Get a way to persist it (dip for Turn Undead and DMM, or use Anima Mage) and you're golden.  I'd recommend doing the same with Shapechange while you're at it.

Clerics of course can do this too, as can Wu Jen.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #208 on: January 09, 2010, 02:27:25 AM »
But I can't put multiheaded template on that to get 30 heads. Unless I can get it after in some way? RAW?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #209 on: January 09, 2010, 02:30:23 AM »
Could you stack Half-Minotaur and Half-Ogre and other Dragon templates that increase size? I don't have the issue, so I'm not sure.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #210 on: January 09, 2010, 02:34:11 AM »
Could you stack Half-Minotaur and Half-Ogre and other Dragon templates that increase size? I don't have the issue, so I'm not sure.

Nope. They only increase size if you're Small or Medium.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #211 on: January 09, 2010, 02:35:33 AM »
But I think you can stack both no a med to get a huge creature as base was medium. Combo I like with goliath, with a slightly lenient DM, you get gargantuan mountain rage, I love me grapple!

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #212 on: January 09, 2010, 09:25:52 AM »
Q 54: To sheath a weapon, it is a move action.  Is there any way to speed that up to a swift/free/immediate action?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #213 on: January 09, 2010, 09:31:23 AM »
Q 54: To sheath a weapon, it is a move action.  Is there any way to speed that up to a swift/free/immediate action?
A 54

Not really. It's a problem that has plagued Iaijutsu optimizers ever since the skill was printed. There is the Gnomish Quickrazor, though, which allows you to sheathe it as a free action after you attack with it.
If your DM allows 3rd party, there's a feat that lets you sheathe or store items as a free action (plus other things) in Frank & K's Races of War. However, I suggest giving your game a good look before allowing any F&K material, it's rather intense. ;)
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #214 on: January 09, 2010, 09:42:18 AM »
Whenever i did an iajjutsu character i had them drop the weapon at the end of the attack thought i dont know what action that would be... i does require you carry lots of katanas though
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #215 on: January 09, 2010, 10:54:17 AM »
But I think you can stack both no a med to get a huge creature as base was medium. Combo I like with goliath, with a slightly lenient DM, you get gargantuan mountain rage, I love me grapple!
i don't think this is right -- aren't templates added in sequentially, as opposed to simultaneously? 
when adding multiple templates, for everything after the first one, the "base" creature is actually a templated one -- e.g., if adding half-ogre and half-minotaur, you would be adding the half-minotaur template to a half-orgre "base" creature (assuming you applied the half-ogre template first); and vise-versa (or some-such -- I'm pretty sure SS explained it similar to that).

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #216 on: January 09, 2010, 11:04:16 AM »
But I think you can stack both no a med to get a huge creature as base was medium. Combo I like with goliath, with a slightly lenient DM, you get gargantuan mountain rage, I love me grapple!
i don't think this is right -- aren't templates added in sequentially, as opposed to simultaneously? 
when adding multiple templates, for everything after the first one, the "base" creature is actually a templated one -- e.g., if adding half-ogre and half-minotaur, you would be adding the half-minotaur template to a half-orgre "base" creature (assuming you applied the half-ogre template first); and vise-versa (or some-such -- I'm pretty sure SS explained it similar to that).
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #217 on: January 09, 2010, 11:33:05 AM »
But I think you can stack both no a med to get a huge creature as base was medium. Combo I like with goliath, with a slightly lenient DM, you get gargantuan mountain rage, I love me grapple!
i don't think this is right -- aren't templates added in sequentially, as opposed to simultaneously? 
when adding multiple templates, for everything after the first one, the "base" creature is actually a templated one -- e.g., if adding half-ogre and half-minotaur, you would be adding the half-minotaur template to a half-orgre "base" creature (assuming you applied the half-ogre template first); and vise-versa (or some-such -- I'm pretty sure SS explained it similar to that).
You are correct, Wotcmaniac.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #218 on: January 09, 2010, 11:36:51 AM »
So theres no way to get a 30 headed creature? For a player? I don't care if its a creature that starts huge and get collosal with like 25 more hitdice, I just wanna know.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #219 on: January 09, 2010, 11:54:03 AM »
So theres no way to get a 30 headed creature? For a player? I don't care if its a creature that starts huge and get collosal with like 25 more hitdice, I just wanna know.
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