OOC Thread

[Agita]

Effigy Dire Hawk/Effigy Roc/Effigy Thunderbird/Effigy Steelwing?

[BowenSilverclaw]

Effigy Steelwing?

Like I said, that was the original idea

That, and an Effigy Dire Lion or Dire Tiger or some other big cat

[Kuroimaken]

What's next, combining them into a mecha?

This IS Eberron after all.

[Agita]

What's next, combining them into a mecha?

This IS Eberron after all.

Why, of course. Give one of them the ability to manifest Fusion. Or simply have one ride the other and reflavor.

[Bozwevial]

The point is whether I need Death Ward or not. 

Hmm. How do you want to word that "undead-with-a-Con-score" aspect? I'm thinking something like this: "Unlike most undead, Nax has a Constitution score, which means he loses immunities X, Y, and Z (probably most of them except for mind-affecting effects and anything else you want to argue for). However, he may choose to count as either living or undead for the purposes of spells, powers, and effects where one or the other would be more beneficial (for instance, he might elect to count as living in the area of a sunburst spell)."

Thoughts? I'm not sure which immunities you would keep, so any suggestions are welcome.

[Agita]

Thoughts? I'm not sure which immunities you would keep, so any suggestions are welcome.

I suppose it would depend on how 'living' he still is - that is, how many of his body functions still work, and how essential are they? If he still has organs that are vital to his continued undeath, he wouldn't be immune to crits (though he might get fortification), for example.

[Kuroimaken]

Hmmm. Well, my first thought is that Undead = powered by negative energy. So he'd probably retain the Cure = damage, inflict = cure aspect, at the very least.

Since having a Con score would imply it can be damaged, he'd probably still take ability damage/drain from a source other than negative energy (which would make sense; he still relies on his tendons and muscles for movement, for example, so an effect that hindered his muscles/tendons/joints would still work, but since he is healed/empowered by negative energy, something like Wail of the Banshee probably wouldn't).

By that logic, crit immunity is out of the table, definitely, but partial fortification could still be there, as Agita pointed out.

Poisons and diseases would probably have no effect, as I don't see him as having a metabolism (no pulse, no breathing, no need to eat). Perhaps more accurately, he doesn't NEED one. He could force his heart to beat to simulate a pulse, or force his digestive system to work so he could enjoy a meal (In case you're wondering, part of the idea behind this comes from Vampire: The Masquerade), but it'd be a conscious effort.

I'm not sure about mind-affecting effects, though. I thought only mindless undead were immune to those?

[Bozwevial]

Hmmm. Well, my first thought is that Undead = powered by negative energy. So he'd probably retain the Cure = damage, inflict = cure aspect, at the very least.

Since having a Con score would imply it can be damaged, he'd probably still take ability damage/drain from a source other than negative energy (which would make sense; he still relies on his tendons and muscles for movement, for example, so an effect that hindered his muscles/tendons/joints would still work, but since he is healed/empowered by negative energy, something like Wail of the Banshee probably wouldn't).

By that logic, crit immunity is out of the table, definitely, but partial fortification could still be there, as Agita pointed out.

Poisons and diseases would probably have no effect, as I don't see him as having a metabolism (no pulse, no breathing, no need to eat). Perhaps more accurately, he doesn't NEED one. He could force his heart to beat to simulate a pulse, or force his digestive system to work so he could enjoy a meal (In case you're wondering, part of the idea behind this comes from Vampire: The Masquerade), but it'd be a conscious effort.

I'm not sure about mind-affecting effects, though. I thought only mindless undead were immune to those?

I could be mistaken there. IIRC, the Necropolitan doesn't stipulate that you lose that immunity. (I'd have to check, though.)

[PhaedrusXY]

In the standard rules, all undead are immune to mind affecting.

[Kuroimaken]

In the standard rules, all undead are immune to mind affecting.

Well, there's a good chance I'm mixing it up since spells such as Halt Undead specify that mindless undead don't get a save but intelligent undead do.

[PhaedrusXY]

In the standard rules, all undead are immune to mind affecting.

Well, there's a good chance I'm mixing it up since spells such as Halt Undead specify that mindless undead don't get a save but intelligent undead do.

Yeah, but even the intelligent ones are immune to mind affecting stuff. It doesn't make a lot of sense, though. I like the Tome rules on it. They make a lot more sense.

[Kuroimaken]

In the standard rules, all undead are immune to mind affecting.

Well, there's a good chance I'm mixing it up since spells such as Halt Undead specify that mindless undead don't get a save but intelligent undead do.

Yeah, but even the intelligent ones are immune to mind affecting stuff. It doesn't make a lot of sense, though. I like the Tome rules on it. They make a lot more sense.

Linky? Might be easier to just use those with a couple tweaks.

[PhaedrusXY]

In the standard rules, all undead are immune to mind affecting.

Well, there's a good chance I'm mixing it up since spells such as Halt Undead specify that mindless undead don't get a save but intelligent undead do.

Yeah, but even the intelligent ones are immune to mind affecting stuff. It doesn't make a lot of sense, though. I like the Tome rules on it. They make a lot more sense.

Linky? Might be easier to just use those with a couple tweaks.

Tome of Necromancy, New Rules. They have subtypes for non-mindless undead, and undead with metabolisms.

Necropolitans should probably have both (they explicitly list them as an example under Unliving, which are the ones with a metabolism).

[Kuroimaken]

In the standard rules, all undead are immune to mind affecting.

Well, there's a good chance I'm mixing it up since spells such as Halt Undead specify that mindless undead don't get a save but intelligent undead do.

Yeah, but even the intelligent ones are immune to mind affecting stuff. It doesn't make a lot of sense, though. I like the Tome rules on it. They make a lot more sense.

Linky? Might be easier to just use those with a couple tweaks.

Tome of Necromancy, New Rules. They have subtypes for non-mindless undead, and undead with metabolisms.

Necropolitans should probably have both (they explicitly list them as an example under Unliving, which are the ones with a metabolism).

Hmmm. The Unliving subtype seems to be the closest to what I'm looking at, sans the need to feed and sleep. (If I wanted a freaking vampire I'd have just made him one, dammit.  ).

[BowenSilverclaw]

So, the Hellion (big metal bird thingy) would cost 25000 gp and 1200 xp, so that's 6250 gp and 900 xp for Lemmy...

I guess that's acceptable


Now to wait for that one Dragon Magazine with the fun Construct upgrades...

[Prime32]

What's next, combining them into a mecha?

This IS Eberron after all.

Why, of course. Give one of them the ability to manifest Fusion. Or simply have one ride the other and reflavor.

Swarmfighting + Phalanx Fighting + Massed Charge (or other teamwork benefits as applicable) = Megazord. Just make sure you use the Dragon Magazine option which lets you give normally mindless Constructs a low Int score, give all of them rings of levitation and make them hold onto the one with a flight speed, and make one of them a warforged marshal/bard. If possible, give this character hulking hurler levels so he can throw one of the "arm" constructs at enemies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3RnL_v5O18

Would a variant of Swarmfighting which lets Medium creatures group together to take up a Large space be acceptable? Or maybe multiple Small creatures with the Swarmfighting feat can ride the same mount.

[BowenSilverclaw]

From the looks of things they'll be pretty decent at melee.
I never thought Lemmy would turn into a Golemficer

[PhaedrusXY]

It sure is taking a long time to fly to the check point.

[Kuroimaken]

Why yes, we're flying there in REAL TIME!

[BowenSilverclaw]

Still, at over 40 miles an hour, not counting Plane Shifting and the like?