OOC Chatter

[woodenbandman]

If it's okay with you guys I'm keeping track of my spellbook in this thread because it's easily edited. Spellbook is linked Here.

[Judging Eagle]

Jagg will probably be provoking the most enemies towards her; what with the 85' swim speed and swinging for 11d6+10 damage (weapon + rage dice + vicious + str)


Is the Chained GMW +4?

That's 11d6+14, on everything that she can hit within an 85 foot  (17 square)  long path. Which is probably everything in a room. Bleh, maybe getting rid of her greatsword, getting a shortsword and getting Snow Tiger Berzerker would help her with letting her charge single targets and clobber them right off the bat.

It also gives her the option to alpha-strike a single target, as well as attack multiple targets once.




Also, woodenbandman, has your character talked to a Guardian Naga? and have now learned how to cast Death Knell?

That's up to +50% more caster levels.

There's also a Circle version in complete divine or spell compendium, cast that. They're not evil.


I'll buy you a bunch of chickens or ... fish! Yes, Fish in a bag of holding, with a balaclava of air, or something; to keep them alive.

Jagg is gonna kill me. She likes critters in general and has many pet fishies, many of which are very friendly and like to cuddle up with each other. Then there's the bettas that have their own tank each.

However, I would like to think that killing some fish for "religious" purposes, and then we cook them up quickly and eat them would be fine with her.

Flavour wise, it's awesome. The adventurers who have never met before eat a meal to bond.

Mechanics wise, you have a caster level of... ... +7 (1/2 your base caster level); so you can give us +5 to armour and weapons; also any spells that you have that last hours will last the whole day.

Either way, it's win.

Can I get a pass/fail on this idea from Uber.

[Ubernoob]

CL boosts are fine.  Just keep in mind that enemies can do the same thing.  This is notable when spells like Blasphemy and Holy Word are in play.  Just keep in mind that when you decide that we're using death knell to boost CL.

[Tshern]

CL boosts are fine.  Just keep in mind that enemies can do the same thing.  This is notable when spells like Blasphemy and Holy Word are in play.  Just keep in mind that when you decide that we're using death knell to boost CL.

I need to add a bag of rats to my inventory...

[Ubernoob]

CL boosts are fine.  Just keep in mind that enemies can do the same thing.  This is notable when spells like Blasphemy and Holy Word are in play.  Just keep in mind that when you decide that we're using death knell to boost CL.

I need to add a bag of rats to my inventory...

And lots and lots of rocks for silence.

[Prak, the Mad]

However, Prak pretty much built a grappler. He's got a Huge monk that picked up Juggernaut; so he's got a +12 modifier from size, +13 from BaB and +10 from Strength; or a +35 Grapple modifier. He might want to quickly rebuild or reconsider how he'll approach grappling. Since it seems that it's something he wanted to do.

yeah, I'm basically looking at stuff like my Winter Gale Stance (Air Walk, +20' competence Movement, Trip or Bullrush affects target with violent thrust Telekinesis(CL=Character Lv, 14; no save)) and seriously walking up to air elementals and tripping them, downwards. Possibly into handy passing bits of solid matter. (how fucking awesome would that look... an anthropomorphic goat walking up to an air elemental flying 90' above the ground, and tripping a tornado!)

Prak, with Mu-Xe's strength score, you should get a bow or shuriken or darts or something. We might come into a situation where might Shederak and Innards start dropping a Web per round, and I want you still able to kill shit.

Yeah, I might put a cloak of arachnida on my cloak of the manta ray so I'm not affected by webs. I like the cloak of arachnida, it just wasn't impressive enough when I had a lot less gold to spend.

Also, you've got 13 levels of monk; what Fighting Styles do you have, or do you have a link to them somewhere.

They're in the special notes section of my sheet. It might not be visible to anyone but me (it should be...), so just in case:

Fighting Styles
-Drunken Boxing
--+4 dodge AC
--+4 dodge Ref

-Feet of Marble
--+30' insight movement
--move through Occ. spaces as if Unocc., provoke no AoOs for movement

-Grasp of the Tornado
--make an attack of opportunity against any opponent who attacks you. This attack of opportunity must be a trip or disarm attempt.
--Ignore Hardness and DR

-Master Oogway's Touch
--piercing, 2 Con Dam
--slashing, -10' from enemy movement

Master Fighting Styles
-Strike of the Sacrificial Rabbit
--Slam does Vile Damage
--slam inflicts 5d6 sonic damage to all within 30', immune to sonic damage

-Winter Gale Stance
--Air Walk, +20' competence Movement
--Trip or Bullrush affects target with violent thrust Telekinesis(CL=Character Lv, 14; no save)

-Exorcism Palm
--slam is a force effect, does force damage
--shoot flame from mouth and hands as std. action. 1d6/char.lv. dam. (+16/11/11 ranged touch, 14d6 fire damage)

[Judging Eagle]

Blasphemy-chaining Hezrous either juggle us or we kill them. It's pretty binary. My fighter uses Foil Action at 60' every round and then the party kills it.

If we see multiple Hezrous I'm just going to cast silence centred on myself, the non-casters will just stick at least 40' to me and we can crush a large amount of them.

Anything else with our CR can only achieve a CL of 20 or so. So they won't actually kill us. Things with a higher CR will be different.

Also, they'd have to _cast_ Death Knell; or Circle of death. The effects of the spell are 10 min per HD of the creature killed for the spell effect. We could seriously run away for 10 minutes and have Jagged keep tabs (very high speed) on the caster to see if they fall back to cast more Death Knells, then start interrupting the casting of more such spells.

Making it great for buffs, but less useful for combat spells.

Mostly because an enemy spell caster casting Deathknell needs to burn a standard action every round in order to do this; instead of casting spells at us.

[edit: resposes by others]

Tshern,

I'm going to buy a bag of holding full of fishies + something that makes air. The rats are bad, Jagged will probably kill you. Also, no one will eat rats. Fish or chickens are easier to manage, and edible.

[Kaelik]

1) Let's please not do this. I'm optimized for CL, solution, give everyone infinite CL. Fuck Yeah, even our enemies.

2) GRAHHHHHHHH!

3) It will be more binary and more of us dieing if the enemies all have CL 400.

4) Why are you setting some arbitrary limit on the CL increase? If we stack DeathKnell with itself, why don't we just kill a hundred fucking creatures?

5) I'm a Caster, I don't want to be in a silence effect all the damn time.

6) See, when Uber said, "anything allowed, except your enemies will use the same shit you do." That was the time to play a combination that I never get to play because people whine about OP, but that isn't my standard super Incantatrix power caster.

But now I'm going to have to build a Fucking Persist Machine to protect myself against thousands of CL 200 Blasphemies because everyone else is fucking crazy.

[Prak, the Mad]

Hey uber... can I have these:

Golden Gauntlets
These leather gauntlets with gold plates fill the wearer's arms with power. For the purposes of lifting, pushing, dragging, and throwing, it gives him +50 Str and his size is counted as Colossal. Beg your DM to see if you can get Rock Throwing, too.

?

I don't want the rock throwing... and I'd be perfectly fine with them having uses per day...

[woodenbandman]

I totally agree Kaelik, I'm all in favor of awesome TO concepts but I don't want a CL of 400 any more than I want infinite wealth. That just makes the game silly.  Besides, how do you run from infinite Caster Level dimension door? Or infinite CL summons (Speed: Faster than you), or infinite CL Fireballs? Why would you want to try?

[Judging Eagle]

4) On The arbitrary cap on Deathknell, I'm not sure where I read about the fact that you can only get +1/2 of your base caster level added on with the spell. I'm looking at d20srd.org and I don't see it there.

If it's really got no cap, screw it, it's not worth the effort. If we can get a persistant Recitation however that's better, and gives us a boost to saves and skill checks.

Wooden, the Fireball normally caps at 10d6; which we already have reached in this group.

Also, Prak, you shoot fire and have a ranged fighting style, you don't need weapons. Also, we could seriously just let monsters get near you, drops webs around you; then watch you hit the ground to deal sonic damage.

It looks like we've got a good mix of single target and group target handling options in this group.

Also, if the webs get in your way, you can just burn them out of your way, or shoot at targets that you want to hit. However, the Cloak would let you move freely among webs.

[Prak, the Mad]

-Grasp of the Tornado
--make an attack of opportunity against any opponent who attacks you. This attack of opportunity must be a trip or disarm attempt.
--Ignore Hardness and DR

fix'd.

Hell, now I can just airwalk 90' above innards and throw enemies into his moving web.

...hell, with the right item or feat, or what have you, innards could then bounce them back up to Mu, and we could just juggle the poor bastards...

[woodenbandman]

infinite CL is infinite range  .

I'm well aware that there is a cap on fireball's damage.

[Ubernoob]

Hey uber... can I have these:

Golden Gauntlets
These leather gauntlets with gold plates fill the wearer's arms with power. For the purposes of lifting, pushing, dragging, and throwing, it gives him +50 Str and his size is counted as Colossal. Beg your DM to see if you can get Rock Throwing, too.

?

I don't want the rock throwing... and I'd be perfectly fine with them having uses per day...

Where's it printed?  So far I've only OKed one custom item.  If combat starts and you use a custom item that hasn't been run by me it will seriously disappear when you need it.

@JE: I won't feel bad about giving the enemies arbitrary CL if arbitrary CL is the game we want to play.  Note that most enemies you face won't have human ideas like limited lifespan so spending a third of their actions keeping NI CL is seriously legit for caster enemies.  And I won't feel bad about using blasphemy or any of it's friends.  I'm playing hardcore "you use it, I use it."

There's only one way to guarantee I don't use something against you, and that's to not use it.  Up to you if the enemies have NI CL.

[Prak, the Mad]

Hey uber... can I have these:

Golden Gauntlets
These leather gauntlets with gold plates fill the wearer's arms with power. For the purposes of lifting, pushing, dragging, and throwing, it gives him +50 Str and his size is counted as Colossal. Beg your DM to see if you can get Rock Throwing, too.

?

I don't want the rock throwing... and I'd be perfectly fine with them having uses per day...

Where's it printed?  So far I've only OKed one custom item.  If combat starts and you use a custom item that hasn't been run by me it will seriously disappear when you need it.

@JE: I won't feel bad about giving the enemies arbitrary CL if arbitrary CL is the game we want to play.  Note that most enemies you face won't have human ideas like limited lifespan so spending a third of their actions keeping NI CL is seriously legit for caster enemies.  And I won't feel bad about using blasphemy or any of it's friends.  I'm playing hardcore "you use it, I use it."

There's only one way to guarantee I don't use something against you, and that's to not use it.  Up to you if the enemies have NI CL.

It wasn't published, it's something Maxus wrote up for the Zelda d20 project, I found it here

[Ubernoob]

I'd rather not on the grounds of: Calculating the weight of really big things is a bitch.

[Prak, the Mad]

I was actually caring more about the colossal size thing... seeing as how I'm a grappler build with juggernaut, depending on how one interprets things, I'd be counting as Colossal+ for the purposes of size related rolls, which means a +20 bonus on grappling, then the str would bring him up to 80(+35) making his grapple check +68... certainly respectable. I was also looking at something like an item of Giant Size, which, with a caster level of 19+ would make him colossal and give him +32 str, which would give him a grapple bonus of +59, but that's a bit prohibitively expensive, unless I make it charged and we limit uses per day... but that's going by the DMG market value guide.

[Judging Eagle]

Yeah, I somehow thought that Deathknell had a cap. I don't even know why I thought that. I'm probably thinking of an other spell that had a similar spell that had a cap of "
no more than 1/2 you hit dice" or "no more than 1/2 your base caster level"

Yeah, no death knell is fine with me, it's not worth the effort to coutneract enemy Indeterminate CL to achieve it ourselves, but then I said that in my last post.

Of course there are other considerations,
[spoiler]
like how does a character have:

1) An indeterminate amount of spell slots to cast Deathknell with
and
2) An indeterminate amount of creatures to sacrifice

Either is possible, but both would have obvious reprecussions. It would also mean wierd stuff, like every lich has an artifact level item that magically creates rats (summon monster wouldn't qualify, you need to create a real live creature, right?), and at least a bag of devouring to get rid of the bodies or a pet monster or just have lots of bodies lying about infecting the place with disease.

Sorry, I tend to take tangents on things that raise questions for me, and then try to answer them, sometimes I get interesting situations or ideas.
[/spoiler]

Wooden and Kaelik, you two could you two try and see what else Wooden can do to boost his CL?

Hell, now I can just airwalk 90' above innards and throw enemies into his moving web.

...hell, with the right item or feat, or what have you, innards could then bounce them back up to Mu, and we could just juggle the poor bastards...

Heh.

Bouncing them back is probably not likely, but getting 1-5 AoOs on something that you dropped from above that falls into my threatened space works.

Yeah, the Stand Still feat that I took is also good for taking out fliers (that are within reach), as it stops them from moving. Unless they have perfect manueverability, they fall down.

Also, I realized that the reason behind this character's concept is now gone, but I've replaced it with other things that were in-theme.


Also, are Backgrounds from RoW approved? I just realized that I can have more flash-backs thrown into my RP. Woot. Flashbacks. Just the thing to go with a Mindraped character.

[Tshern]

Tshern,

I'm going to buy a bag of holding full of fishies + something that makes air. The rats are bad, Jagged will probably kill you. Also, no one will eat rats. Fish or chickens are easier to manage, and edible.

I won't be using this, walking around in a Persistent Consumptive field is just too low.

[Judging Eagle]

Tshern,

I'm going to buy a bag of holding full of fishies + something that makes air. The rats are bad, Jagged will probably kill you. Also, no one will eat rats. Fish or chickens are easier to manage, and edible.

I won't be using this, walking around in a Persistent Consumptive field is just too low.

That was a few posts ago, and before I realized that DK and CF don't have caps.

I'd reccomend Recitation instead, a +2 luck bonus to saves, skill checks, damage and attack rolls is pretty good. Mostly since none of us have tapped into the "luck" tiny pile of numbers that we can add to our other piles of numbers.