Overpowered Rogue Needed!

[Maximiano]

Hi to all.

First, the conditons of the play:

a- A maze
b- lots of enemies (mostly zombies, demons and golems)
c- lots of traps
d- lots of illusions and misleading
e- You're always alone (so ... no flanking for SA)

The character building procedure:
a- No more than two base classes
b- One prestige class
c- Gotta be rogue-ish tiefling(read as: "have a crime lord past and sneaking abilities")
d- 10th level

Okay,
I do not need a huge build. I just need directions.
I'm inclined to take Invisble blade so i can sneak attack people up front and take the substitution thing that let me sneak attack constructs and the like.

I also thought of Exemplar so i can hide anytime and even running...that would help in the fights.

I know a setting like this almost cries for a spellcaster but i can't have one (except the non-full casters like the ranger and paladin)

The problem is i can't decide what character to make...the guy gotta be flawless for god's sake! That's impossible for a rogue isn't it?  :rolleyes

Hmm...so what i really need is:
A) How can i maximize my chances of survival?
B) Focus on battle or in a utility build?

[woodenbandman]

Rules to follow if you're a combat rogue.

1: Two. Weapon. Fighting. Preferably with Kusari-Gamas. Except:
2: Invisible Blade's nice for 1 on 1 fights. Free sneak attacks every round.
3: If you don't want the Special abilities, Prestige early and often, take Daring outlaw and such.

Invisible Blade is probably the best combat fighter Rogue prestige class, so take that. You could combine it with daring outlaw and have a higher BAB if you can deal with losing the special abilities, so a solid build would be

Rogue 3/Swashbuckler4/Invisible Blade3. I have no idea what the qualifications are and whether or not you meet them. I don't really care. If you took improved TWF at 9th level (earliest), you have 4 attacks, each of which should do 5d6 of sneak attack, for a max of 20d6 per round. If you can sneak attack, that is. That's pretty good.

[Maximiano]

Yeah...that was my first thought. I'm just afraid of one thing: Won't i miss the skills and etc? Or can i do just as well if i multiclass into swash?

Just one thing:
Feinting just make the target lose dex bonus for your next melee attack. So if i feinted with the Invisible blade ability i would make one strike with extra damage and the others would be normal ones. Because if i'm right that ability of his has been errated. Am i right?

[InnaBinder]

It's only dubiously available (check with your DM), but here's a link to the Invisible Blade in its original 10 level format, as written by the author:

[spoiler]http://wakinglands.com/htm_files/the_prestige_classes_page.htm[/spoiler]

[AndyJames]

Yeah...that was my first thought. I'm just afraid of one thing: Won't i miss the skills and etc? Or can i do just as well if i multiclass into swash?

Just one thing:
Feinting just make the target lose dex bonus for your next melee attack. So if i feinted with the Invisible blade ability i would make one strike with extra damage and the others would be normal ones. Because if i'm right that ability of his has been errated. Am i right?

Feint is next attack only.

[Maximiano]

But...

You guys do think this is the best option then?
Go all for martial and sneaks...

[AndyJames]

For a Rogue, just about. SA is the only thing Rogues have going for them these days.

[Operation Shoestring]

Never play an Invisible Blade without the Surprising Riposte feat.

Look into getting an ambush feat or two as well.  Being a pocket de-buffer is always fun.

[kurashu]

Someone's gotta say it, might as well be me: Swordsage 10. Another option might be: Wildshape Ranger 14/Scout 3/Master of Many Forms 3.

[Oshi]

I like Swordsage 10, or maybe if you want a more trap savvy type rogue maybe... Swashbuckler 3/Rogue 2/Trapsmith 5 ?

trapsmith is dungeonscape btw, has a rather nice spell list imo.

edit, maybe scout would be better than swashbuckler, if you spot an enemy set up a hallway full of booby traps and get em to run through it. Golems and Undead being mindless shouldnt know any better. all the while, you would be shooting at them. Id recommend scout5 but~ they dont have the class skills for trapsmith.
Spend your money on golembane or zombie-bane bolts (for the bolt boobie trap, and old fashioned shooting i guess).... such things exist right? I dunno if that'd be meta-gaming or not.

Other builds will likely be "stronger"... in combat at least

[BowenSilverclaw]

Get the Augment Crystals (Magic Item Compendium) that allow you to Sneak Attack Undead and Constructs 

[Rebel7284]

Play a swift hunter?
Similar damage as a rogue and can apply sneak attack to things immune to it via favorite enemy.  Can be very rogue-like in flavor.

[kurashu]

The only thing about a swift hunter, and I realized that after I reccomended it was the fact that he'll be in a maze and that he'll have a hard time activating skirmish in there if the hallways are crowded. But yeah, it'd be great for fighting undead and constructs and plants and such (and as a DM I would throw completely unexpected things like plants are you).


A swift hunter build I was working on was dwarf scout 6/ranger 11/lion totem barbarian 1/fighter (or anything that grants heavy armor prof) 1/battlesmith 1. Two weapon fighter style + oversized two weapon fighting and warhammers, pounce, wisdom to damager with warhammers. I was looking for a way to slip swordsage 2 in there for wisdom to armor class.

Nemesis will be your best friend if you can get something completely general like Favored Enemy (Evil) or (Caster).

[Maximiano]

Thanks for the inputs guys...
shall start workking right away 

[Sunic_Flames]

See how Rogues can get a feat as a special ability? See how it doesn't require the usual prereqs?

Perfect Two Weapon Fighting please, and thanks.

[SorO_Lost]

I'd skip the invisible blade. Just because you picked up an item so you can SA those zombies does not mean the bleed effect works. So all you will get out of that PrC is +3d6 to a very limited melee weapon selection, easier feinting made redundant by mindless undead/golems, and a small boost to AC.

Just take some swordsage levels instead. you'll net +2d6 SA off a stance, greater invisibility & a fire elemental to flank with as maneuvers, full wis to AC, insane saves, etc.

There is a collar of something that grants the Dark Template for 15 minutes per day, with a high hide check and the granted HiPS you can just skip feinting to begin with.

Honestly, smack your DM up side the head while you're at it. What kind of sick person makes someone solo a game as a rogue but tosses hordes of undead and golems? You should play play a fallen paladin instead or something.

[Vidar]

The only thing about a swift hunter, and I realized that after I reccomended it was the fact that he'll be in a maze and that he'll have a hard time activating skirmish in there if the hallways are crowded. But yeah, it'd be great for fighting undead and constructs and plants and such (and as a DM I would throw completely unexpected things like plants are you).

I would have suggested "up the walls" there, but then you'd have to waste yet another feat on talented. If you've got featslots left, a swift hunter in a maze with "up the walls" would definitly be worth it.

[SorO_Lost]

Or instead of wasting two feat slots so you can remain on the ground at the end of your turn you could spend less than 5k on Slippers of Spider Climbing for 100 rounds of 'can't touch this'...

[Sunic_Flames]

Um, those things are skill tricks. Not feats.

With that said, please look up Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis and Balancing Lorecall. You will need UMD for the latter.

[Oshi]

There is a collar of something that grants the Dark Template for 15 minutes per day, with a high hide check and the granted HiPS you can just skip feinting to begin with.

IIRC he's talking about the collar of umbral metamorphosis, Tome of Magic I believe. I was actually looking for a way to fit hips into the build, but the single prc restriction kinda makes the selection not that great.