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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2010, 11:59:49 PM »
Could take Energy Sub (Electric) and then Born of Three Thunders.
Just for sillies.
Suddenly everyone's taking elec/sonic damage, getting knocked over and stunned every round.

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #81 on: November 03, 2010, 01:08:48 AM »
for the last time, born of three thunders does not work that way

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2010, 01:28:50 AM »
Pretty funny, though, when the spell expires and whatever survivors remain are wondering, "How could this possibly get any worse?" and a shockwave shatters their windows and knocks them prone as the doomwinter fades.
So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2010, 01:57:19 AM »
This seems very cool, if I had friends to play dnd with, I'd probably include this as and event in the world. :P

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2010, 03:08:49 AM »
Doesn't the fell drain only cause a single negative level?

Yep, each time they're damaged. And you're damaging them once a round.
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You can alter a spell that deals damage to foes so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level
I think that limits it to one level per spell, since it doesn't say "whenever".
The FAQ/Sage has said no and used the Fell Drain Magic Missile for the example. Wording wise it is pretty binary: "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.". Also, they cap out at 15 hours for the duration. Still plenty to get the job done, but several short of the mentioned 44 hours.

And yeah Bo3Ts doesn't give a three saves per round effect. Bo3T's effect is done when the spell concludes.

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And finally, the MiC, page 125 has the Ring of Mystic Fire. There is even a Ring of Mystic Lightning. A Ring of Mystic Cold isn't far fetched and could be used to add +4d6 damage to the spell. Probably works like Fell Drain but it does boost the first round of damage for a mere 7,500gp and allows stuff like Cold Snap to be applied.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2010, 10:36:30 PM »
can i request a tl;dr version? sleepy but looks fun
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2010, 10:40:37 PM »
can i request a tl;dr version? sleepy but looks fun
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #87 on: November 03, 2010, 11:20:18 PM »
Doesn't the fell drain only cause a single negative level?

Yep, each time they're damaged. And you're damaging them once a round.
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You can alter a spell that deals damage to foes so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level
I think that limits it to one level per spell, since it doesn't say "whenever".
The FAQ/Sage has said no and used the Fell Drain Magic Missile for the example. Wording wise it is pretty binary: "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.". Also, they cap out at 15 hours for the duration. Still plenty to get the job done, but several short of the mentioned 44 hours.

And yeah Bo3Ts doesn't give a three saves per round effect. Bo3T's effect is done when the spell concludes.

Do you have feat room (or maybe buy some metamagic rods?).
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Violate Spell(fimbulwinter): Half the damage is Vile, which is uncurable without a Consecrated area. Undead are still immune.

And finally, the MiC, page 125 has the Ring of Mystic Fire. There is even a Ring of Mystic Lightning. A Ring of Mystic Cold isn't far fetched and could be used to add +4d6 damage to the spell. Probably works like Fell Drain but it does boost the first round of damage for a mere 7,500gp and allows stuff like Cold Snap to be applied.


But its a different case than Fell Drain Magic Missile, as each of those missiles would impact them simultaneously, counting as a single burst of damage.

And since it outright says "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.", that means that when they are damaged the next round, they get another negative level, because they are being dealt damage. It never says that the number of negative levels applied to a creature is capped; other abilities that work like this tend to have language to that effect. And this one doesn't. So it isn't capped.

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #88 on: November 04, 2010, 02:15:04 AM »
But its a different case than Fell Drain Magic Missile, as each of those missiles would impact them simultaneously, counting as a single burst of damage.

And since it outright says "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.", that means that when they are damaged the next round, they get another negative level, because they are being dealt damage. It never says that the number of negative levels applied to a creature is capped; other abilities that work like this tend to have language to that effect. And this one doesn't. So it isn't capped.

Quid pro Quo.

Love the winter-pocalypse effect but how is it causing damage every round? I can see the 16 damage turned 8 cold/8 neg + 1 neg level, but I'm not sure it happens repeatedly.  The feats would imply it happens only once- which will still kill and undeadify most every peasant in the area, but it's not the awesome years long death-dealer it could be.  Am I missing something?
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #89 on: November 04, 2010, 04:17:08 AM »
Refluff Walker in the Waste to the Frostfell and you have a perfect villain.

Actually, would a regular WitW with his heat/draught aura negate the winter? That would almost make the typically villainous creature a hero...
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #90 on: November 04, 2010, 04:29:47 AM »
Love the winter-pocalypse effect but how is it causing damage every round? I can see the 16 damage turned 8 cold/8 neg + 1 neg level, but I'm not sure it happens repeatedly.  The feats would imply it happens only once- which will still kill and undeadify most every peasant in the area, but it's not the awesome years long death-dealer it could be.  Am I missing something?
Umm, now that you mention it. It doesn't.

Flash Frost adds 2 damage per spell level to the spell. Not 2 damage per round.
A flash frost spell deals an extra 2 points of cold damage per level of the spell to all targets in the area.
Just like Fell Drain bestows a negative level to anyone damaged by the spell. Not damaged multiple times regardless of how far apart time wise the damage is.

So I figured it was the spell Fimbulwinter that was doing it. Nope, it isn't.
Amechra's thread is essentially based on the BS concept that adding a delay to how fast the damage hits you instantly makes Flash Frost & Fell Drain hit multiple times. You know, despite both only working once per spell effect and no rules saying that changes when you alter the duration.

1. But its a different case than Fell Drain Magic Missile, as each of those missiles would impact them simultaneously, counting as a single burst of damage.

2. And since it outright says "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.", that means that when they are damaged the next round, they get another negative level, because they are being dealt damage. 3. It never says that the number of negative levels applied to a creature is capped; other abilities that work like this tend to have language to that effect. And this one doesn't. So it isn't capped.

Quid pro Quo.
Umm, what? This is SorO here. Failures like that in logic get made fun of by me in a condescending way that makes people hate me more.

1. Orly? I don't see text contained there in on either feats that change how they work when the duration is altered. Just what made you think you can pull that leap in logic out of your ass? Can I extend Deathwatch and then make up rules that, since I changed the duration, I gain 1,000 temp HP?
2. It can mean each time it deals damage, or not. Both interpretations are valid, however the FAQ/Sage says your wrong.
3. You failed to read my post, much like failing to read the feat rules, as I spoke of the duration of the negative levels is capped at 15 hours and not the mentioned 44 hour duration. I didn't say anything about how negative levels stack and would be dumbfounded at how you think I did if not for the glaring mistakes you have made already.

Have your stupid comment back too.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #91 on: November 04, 2010, 10:03:32 AM »
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #92 on: November 04, 2010, 10:20:51 AM »
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #93 on: November 04, 2010, 11:08:45 AM »
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #94 on: November 04, 2010, 12:38:10 PM »
Achmera: the issue is that you would only deal the damage once.  Now, it could easily be argued that the damage is applied to anything that enters the area after the spell is cast, but you're still stuck with it only damaging once.  Only one negative level, 8 cold, and 8 negative energy damage are ever applied to any given creature.

Now, this would still be plenty to wipe out most 2HD creatures and all 1HD (which become wights) and it would still be a bitch of a 2 years, but it's not as awesome as you make it out to be.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #95 on: November 04, 2010, 02:03:08 PM »
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #96 on: November 04, 2010, 02:05:57 PM »
Now, this would still be plenty to wipe out most 2HD creatures and all 1HD (which become wights) and it would still be a bitch of a 2 years, but it's not as awesome as you make it out to be.
which would still be, like, 90% of the population.
the subsequent wights would take care of most of the survivors.

Okay, so he just created THE Zombie Apocalypse.  :thumb

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #97 on: November 04, 2010, 02:12:59 PM »
Okay, so he just created THE Zombie Apocalypse.  :thumb
But honestly you can do this by just creating one Wight. No one in a normal village can survive against even one.

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #98 on: November 04, 2010, 02:19:09 PM »
Okay, so he just created THE Zombie Apocalypse.  :thumb
But honestly you can do this by just creating one Wight. No one in a normal village can survive against even one.
True. The only difference would be the time it took to spread. But even if there are a billion Wights, they're still just wights and eventually a single adventurer of 7th lvl would be able to wipe them all out.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2010, 02:44:25 PM »
Okay, so he just created THE Zombie Apocalypse.  :thumb
But honestly you can do this by just creating one Wight. No one in a normal village can survive against even one.
True. The only difference would be the time it took to spread. But even if there are a billion Wights, they're still just wights and eventually a single adventurer of 7th lvl would be able to wipe them all out.
well, until they get all pissed-off and start forming "mobs" (i.e., as per the mob template)  :p
yeah, things get a little more difficult from there.


of course, now that I think about it, once you introduce the fly spell, CoP, etc. (i.e., for that aforementioned 7th-level adventurer), I guess not so much.  :shrug

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