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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #360 on: October 20, 2010, 08:54:16 PM »
I don't think anyone is serious when they discuss Fighter vs Wizard PvP matches. Not even the people that like arena matches (they'd prefer a more interesting fight). But for precisely the reasons you described they still fail in indirect scenarios such as party vs monster(s).
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #361 on: October 20, 2010, 09:41:33 PM »
Yeah ... but most D&D-ers are "still" not checking out the CO-board type stuff.

Fighter can be OK in early game. It passes the SGT at level 5, but needs some massaging to do so.
Fighter + CO tricks (like leadership) = handles level 10 and even level 15.
And I think that's enough to confuse the non-CO crowd into thinking there's even a possibility.

My guess is a Wizard 3 with access to a magic mart,
can handle any Fighter that doesn't go get a Wizard or other Tier 1 cohort.
CO Wizard 3 vs. non-CO Fighter 6 + Rogue 3 cohort = probably Wizard no matter what

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #362 on: October 20, 2010, 11:18:47 PM »
My guess is a Wizard 3 with access to a magic mart,
can handle any Fighter that doesn't go get a Wizard or other Tier 1 cohort.
CO Wizard 3 vs. non-CO Fighter 6 + Rogue 3 cohort = probably Wizard no matter what

Let's be fair, though, anything-with-UMD-and-access-to-a-Magic-Mart 3 will pretty much beat anything-without-spellcasting-or-UMD of up to several levels higher. To a certain extent, that's a problem with Magic-Mart. I would say that wizards don't start the truly brutal trouncings until 5ish when Magic-Mart is left out of the equation.

Of course, as I said it doesn't have to be a brutal trouncing for the wizard to be doing better than he really has a right to and the fighter doing worse.

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #363 on: October 21, 2010, 12:34:32 AM »
Don't need custom for antimagic, Antimagic Torq (or whatever it's called) is pretty cheap.

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #364 on: October 21, 2010, 01:19:00 AM »
...arrogance is unfounded confidence...by the definition of the word...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogance?show=0&t=1287626614http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/arrogancehttp://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/arrogancehttp://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=enhttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/arrogancesuper-saiyan sword-swinger (doo-dah, doo-dah) -- but I couldn't let pass an opportunity to throw egg into the face of one who treats arguments as dick-slapping competitions, full of macho displays of chest-thumping and digital masturbation. Trust me, you are not the first, not by a long shot.

I'm sure your ability to shout 7 variations of 'fucktard' makes you very popular with the ladies, the cool kids, potential employers and your mother. :clap

Oh by the way, did you know that thanks to your prolific kind of abrasiveness, they're really pushing to take away the Internet and replace it with something like network television where you can't do diddly-squat unless you're some rich corporate executive?

No more webcomics, no more youtube, no more P&P RPGs aside from those sold by WotC, hell no more any kind of art, writing, indie musicians, or other such creative expressions unless you have a rich daddy or make friends with Steven Spielberg (unless you're perfectly fine with maybe 20 people in a maximum of 1 mile from your home ever seeing your stuff, if you're lucky). Not to mention the end of 'geek' communities where we get to know more than one or two of our brothers and sisters, without constantly worrying about being slammed into lockers, like it was for us about 20-30 years ago. Oh yeah and the only porn we can get our hands on is playboy (or victoria secret catalogs, if you don't want to live with the shame of people you know seeing you walk into or out of an "adult store")? Eww! I feel so sorry for pre-Internet people for being limited to that lukewarm crap. And worst of all, the only things you could possibly learn about were from high school textbooks, unless you drop $50,000.

So thanks, assholes! Thanks a fucking bunch! I would really love it if the internet became facebook, inc.! Proof, you ask? I'm tired of making links so just google for online anonymity, jessi slaughter, etc.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #365 on: October 21, 2010, 02:16:14 AM »
*rant*
Who the FUCK are YOU!?  Why the FUCK is the looming threat to net neutrality OUR fault!?  What the FUCK does that have to do with ANYTHING!?

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #366 on: October 21, 2010, 02:28:28 AM »
Oh by the way, did you know that thanks to your prolific kind of abrasiveness, they're really pushing to take away the Internet and replace it with something like network television where you can't do diddly-squat unless you're some rich corporate executive?

No more webcomics, no more youtube, no more P&P RPGs aside from those sold by WotC, hell no more any kind of art, writing, indie musicians, or other such creative expressions unless you have a rich daddy or make friends with Steven Spielberg (unless you're perfectly fine with maybe 20 people in a maximum of 1 mile from your home ever seeing your stuff, if you're lucky). Not to mention the end of 'geek' communities where we get to know more than one or two of our brothers and sisters, without constantly worrying about being slammed into lockers, like it was for us about 20-30 years ago. Oh yeah and the only porn we can get our hands on is playboy (or victoria secret catalogs, if you don't want to live with the shame of people you know seeing you walk into or out of an "adult store")? Eww! I feel so sorry for pre-Internet people for being limited to that lukewarm crap. And worst of all, the only things you could possibly learn about were from high school textbooks, unless you drop $50,000.

So thanks, assholes! Thanks a fucking bunch! I would really love it if the internet became facebook, inc.! Proof, you ask? I'm tired of making links so just google for online anonymity, jessi slaughter, etc.

I'll be sure to lose some sleep over it.

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #367 on: October 21, 2010, 02:44:45 AM »
So thanks, assholes! Thanks a fucking bunch! I would really love it if the internet became facebook, inc.! Proof, you ask? I'm tired of making links so just google for online anonymity, jessi slaughter, etc.[/size]
lol wut? Better yet, no reply needed.

The net being controlled has squat diddly to do with you or your bullshit when you are on your period. Its all about the money. The concept is ISPs locking you into sites that paid them money for you to see. Even if you had your retarded way AOL would just roll out pornpedia, same money hungry setup, same porn, same kids using the same free or burrowed access, only change is more money out of your pocket and less freedoms.

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5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #368 on: October 21, 2010, 02:59:23 AM »
*rant*
Who the FUCK are YOU!?  Why the FUCK is the looming threat to net neutrality OUR fault!?  What the FUCK does that have to do with ANYTHING!?

+1.

Looking at your profile and posting history (all whopping twelve posts), you are some kind of cross between a Griefer, a Spammer, and a slightly verbose Troll (which is worse than the normal kind because you are trying to pass yourself off as insightful when you clearly have your head up your ass).

Fun fact: The GIFT theory isn't entirely accurate. A good number of people on the Internet are completely silent (lurkers), a number of us are civil (as displayed by the fact that "Help me optimize my character" threads typically have more than one reply), and there is this small but very aggressive number who are trolls (myself included, to be honest).

Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole (which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo) is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.

I think the most insulting thing about that post was he tried to disguise it as on-topic by agreeing with the common consensus.


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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #369 on: October 21, 2010, 04:00:06 AM »
Be careful how many internets you use guys! The tubes could get clogged! And then what would we do if Al Gore weren't around to fix it for us?

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #370 on: October 21, 2010, 10:07:42 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouQNjgaBTPk

...arrogance is unfounded confidence...by the definition of the word...
presumptuous claims or assumptions

http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=enpresumptuous, overbearing, assuming, insolent
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I don't disagree that full-casters > everyone else -- to deny this is to be inexperienced, stupid, hiding behind a wall of ignorance, or merely in denial that anyone could be better than their super-saiyan sword-swinger (doo-dah, doo-dah) -- but I couldn't let pass an opportunity to throw egg into the face of one who treats arguments as dick-slapping competitions, full of macho displays of chest-thumping and digital masturbation. Trust me, you are not the first, not by a long shot.

Dick slapping? Nah, I save that for the ladies. This? This is merely smiting imbeciles. It's about as involved as stepping on insects.

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I'm sure your ability to shout 7 variations of 'fucktard' makes you very popular with the ladies, the cool kids, potential employers and your mother. :clap

I actually have been laid on more than one occasion based solely on my ability to smite imbeciles. I am dead fucking serious. Some women actually do get off on this. The cool kids like it too. And while using the exact word of fucktard would be poorly advised in the latter two cases, both can and do appreciate honesty. So you were trying to be sarcastic, but you epic failed. Again.



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Oh by the way, did you know that thanks to your prolific kind of abrasiveness, they're really pushing to take away the Internet and replace it with something like network television where you can't do diddly-squat unless you're some rich corporate executive?

No more webcomics, no more youtube, no more P&P RPGs aside from those sold by WotC, hell no more any kind of art, writing, indie musicians, or other such creative expressions unless you have a rich daddy or make friends with Steven Spielberg (unless you're perfectly fine with maybe 20 people in a maximum of 1 mile from your home ever seeing your stuff, if you're lucky). Not to mention the end of 'geek' communities where we get to know more than one or two of our brothers and sisters, without constantly worrying about being slammed into lockers, like it was for us about 20-30 years ago. Oh yeah and the only porn we can get our hands on is playboy (or victoria secret catalogs, if you don't want to live with the shame of people you know seeing you walk into or out of an "adult store")? Eww! I feel so sorry for pre-Internet people for being limited to that lukewarm crap. And worst of all, the only things you could possibly learn about were from high school textbooks, unless you drop $50,000.

So thanks, assholes! Thanks a fucking bunch! I would really love it if the internet became facebook, inc.! Proof, you ask? I'm tired of making links so just google for online anonymity, jessi slaughter, etc.


So you've went from owning yourself, to owning yourself some more, to claiming I'm the devil? And it never once occurred to you, as you continually blame me for your own incompetence and fucktardry (your favorite word, new and improved!) that the problem you speak of is actually being caused by things like child pornography and rampant piracy of anything that can be digitized and identify theft and... Nope. It's all the fault of some fucker who pretends to be the Crusader of Logic on the Internets!

While you are doing an excellent job of expanding my ego beyond the size of a medium sized tugboat, I must regretfully inform you that you should become an hero for a good of the world.
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #371 on: October 21, 2010, 10:12:52 AM »
Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole (which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo) is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.

This paragraph makes me a happy smiter. It does seem incomplete though.

"...but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole (which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo)..."

Forgot a word or two?
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #372 on: October 21, 2010, 01:11:52 PM »
This thread has taken an exceptionally weird turn, even for one of these threads. I guess going over the same territory so many times makes everyone go a little bit crazy.

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #373 on: October 21, 2010, 01:23:22 PM »
what is this i dont even
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #374 on: October 21, 2010, 02:36:16 PM »
...I broke the boards with too much win.
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #375 on: October 21, 2010, 03:20:31 PM »
Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole (which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo) is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.

This paragraph makes me a happy smiter. It does seem incomplete though.

"...but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole (which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo)..."

Forgot a word or two?

I forgot to edit out the parenthesis (it makes more sense if you remove the first and replace the second with a comma). Bad editing on my part.


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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #376 on: October 21, 2010, 03:32:05 PM »
It's been a while since I had an ego sig.
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #377 on: October 21, 2010, 03:52:20 PM »
It's been a while since I had an ego sig.

My sig got eaten by Gibbles and Phiones. Well, most of it.


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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #378 on: November 08, 2010, 11:08:48 PM »
Wow... is this still going on? I mean I've been gone a year. There's a new editon out. 2! Hilare  :lol
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #379 on: November 08, 2010, 11:17:13 PM »
Wow... is this still going on? I mean I've been gone a year. There's a new editon out. 2! Hilare  :lol
No, it's NOT still going on!  This thread died (again) almost 3 weeks ago.  Stop necroing it.  It causes me to lose faith in humanity every time I see it.