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What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« on: March 15, 2009, 10:56:11 PM »
You get that number using UA's Generic Warrior with two Flaws and a Human character. One good save of your choice, medium armor, low skill points, full BaB, and really, nothing else. You can snag some class features as feats, though, so that's cool.

What fun things can you do with that ungodly amount of feats? No casting, obviously, but you could pick up quite a few things from ToB. You could take every single one of the [Draconic] feats. You could take Toughness 21 times.

I'm no optimizer, so I'll toss this out as a challenge. Warrior20 is the class. Human is optional. All books, including Dragon Compendium and Web Enhancements. 32 point buy. What can you do?

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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2009, 11:02:37 PM »
Well, Martial Study is your friend. Not that much you can do with that many feats you can't do with a fighter's feats, though--after a certain point, what else can you do?

A much better way to get more feats, by the way, is the Embrace/Shun the Dark Chaos shuffle. Not that that's entirely relevant to the topic, but...

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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 11:15:53 PM »
You can only take martial study 3 times. So that sucks. You can make a pretty hardcore ubercharger, but that's about it, really.

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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 11:20:04 PM »
We can have fun with this number.

Pretty much any feat that grants something unusual and doesn't require spellcasting (if it does, we can get spellcasting to fuel it). Nothing that only grants a bonus to something.

Shape Soulmeld, Bonus Essentia, Open Chakra, Martial Study and Stance, stuff like that. Those all grant unique effects and can be geared towards making your character the most optimal Full BAB class. Tactical feats help too.


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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 11:21:43 PM »
Oh hey get martial study for the teleport maneuvers then take the battle jump feat for a bunch of charges, and if you can get pounce...

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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 12:18:05 AM »
Oh hey get martial study for the teleport maneuvers then take the battle jump feat for a bunch of charges, and if you can get pounce...

Maybe through Sphinx Claws via Shape Soulmeld and the like?

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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 12:40:50 AM »
Its a bit like a straight Fighter; I've been brainstorming what I'd do with a straight Fighter lately.  What I've decided is that getting as many of the strong combat tactical feats is the way to go.

Power Attack, Leap Attack, Battle Jump, Shocktrooper, Combat Brute

Improved Bull Rush, Improved Sunder, Improved Overrun (a VERY overlooked feat)

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TWF, iTWF, gTWF, Lightening Mace

Flay, Crushing Blow, Driving Attack

Combat Reflexes, Improved Initiative

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Stacks up several options all together.  Headless Charge produces a single attack w/o Pounce, and also triggers Driving Attack, Leap Attack, Power Attack, Crushing Blow, and Flay.  If you do a full-attack, this triggers Lightening Mace, Flay, and Crushing Blow.  All your attacks get boosted by the WSpec tree.  The strongest option is to charge round 1 with full Headless Charge, then use Combat Brute round 2 on a full attack.

Equipment helps out.  For example, if you can get your hands on it, the Dawnstar is worth taking the True Believer feat out, for a Brilliant Energy weapon at the cost of a +2 weapon.  The Quickdraw crystal is really, really good too.

The TWF/Lightening Mace tree isn't really necessary, and can be replaced for some other situationally useful feats as well.  For example: Knockback, Weapon Supremacy, or Weapon Mastery.

However you tweak it, its going to be a balls-out melee monster.
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 12:47:37 AM »
Dragonborn with Entangling Exhalation, Dragon Wings, Improved Dragon Wings, Flyby Attack and Improved Flyby Attack. Plus whatever else you guys come up with. :D
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 12:49:40 AM »
+ Magical training + Precocious apprentice for a single second level spell.  I think there's one that enhances breath weapons...
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 07:51:36 AM »
Or Wraithstrike :D

Also, Flyby Breath and Strafing Breath if you go with the Breath Weapon :)
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 08:19:11 AM »
Seems like picking up the phrenic template and using LA buyoff would be your best bet.  Oh, and that regional feat that gives you 3/day uses of your 1/day racial spelllikes.

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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 10:07:51 AM »
Seems like picking up the phrenic template and using LA buyoff would be your best bet.  Oh, and that regional feat that gives you 3/day uses of your 1/day racial spelllikes.

Suddenly: Class Features
Magic in the Blood.  Can't be human for that, unfortunately, but its totally worth it.  Particularly at 15th level: gain Fission as an SLA 3/day.  Combine that with some of the feats that grant SLAs (looking at you, Fey Presence/Fey Legacy), and suddenly you've got 66 SLAs to use per day, times two, for 132 SLAs per day (granted, only 60 of those will be offensive in nature).

Phrenic + Magic in the Blood makes playing a Commoner easy.

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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 01:39:13 PM »
And don't forget binding! Not as yummy as a lot of what's been posted here, but funny nonetheless.
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2009, 01:54:18 PM »
Just because someone has to say it: Toughness(prereq)x1 and Roll With It(savage species)x20 for DR 40/-
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2009, 01:56:53 PM »
Also, Flyby Breath and Strafing Breath if you go with the Breath Weapon :)
Are those better than Flyby Attack?
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2009, 02:28:09 PM »
Tripping is very feat intensive and fairs okay even without class features. Feats like:

Jotunbrud
Combat Expertise
Improved Trip
Broken Fist Mastery I (and all its crappy pre-reqs)
EWP: Spinning Sword/Spiked Chain/Kasurigama
Combat Reflexes
Abberant Blood
Abberant Reach
Power Attack
Knockdown
Mage Slayer
Robilar's Gambit

At 20th level you'd suck, but you might trip something since you can get +12 to trip from Jotunbrud/Imp Trip/BFM I!
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2009, 03:00:00 PM »
Tripping is very feat intensive and fairs okay even without class features. Something like:

Jotunbrud
Combat Expertise
Improved Trip
Broken Fist Mastery I (and all its crappy pre-reqs)
EWP: Spinning Sword/Spiked Chain/Kasurigama
Combat Reflexes
Abberant Blood
Abberant Reach
Power Attack
Knockdown
Mage Slayer
Robilar's Gambit

The rest you can just kind of season to taste with. At 20th level you'd suck, but you might trip something since you can get +12 to trip from Jotunbrud/Imp Trip/BFM I!
So...the more effort you put in, the more you suck?

Yea....no.

Unless you've got a race or template that increases your size, strength, and stability, don't bother.
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2009, 03:22:57 PM »
Also, Flyby Breath and Strafing Breath if you go with the Breath Weapon :)
Are those better than Flyby Attack?
They do let you cover a pretty big area with your Breath Weapon :)
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2009, 03:48:56 PM »
You may be able to make a spiffy Hood.

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6: Up the Walls
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9: Cleave
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Re: What would you do with 21 feats and nothing else?
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2009, 04:02:21 PM »
So...the more effort you put in, the more you suck?
you'd suck

Yea....no.

Why not? He said "What can you do?" I know that in a sense I answered with "Well, you can suck" by saying "Well, you can trip", but tripping seems to be pretty popular so I figured I'd throw it out there.

Unless you've got a race or template that increases your size, strength, and stability, don't bother.

Jotunbrud and Broken Fist Mastery give you two effective size increases for your bonuses - reach weapons + abberant reach gives you another benefit of being bigger, though you don't occupy any more space and strength will have to come from outside sources (items and buffs). I forget the eratta on Martial Stance, whether you can get higher level stances or not, but you can get Thicket if it doesn't restrict you to level 1 stances.
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