Finalizing Characters

[Josh]

Lets get the characters all sorted out here (more to come)

[tsuyoshikentsu]

You should know that Advisor to the Court was errata'd to be maximum four years.  This is to stop people from going Born Etharch/Thinker/Advisor to the Court for 10,000 years or so.  (This is a slight variation on what I thought of.)

So here's what I have so far for my character.  This is just the crunchy bits; fluff will come later.
[spoiler]Lifepaths:
Born Etharch
Student
Sword Singer
Prince
Etharch
Althing
Althing
Etharch


Stats:

20 points Mental, 30 points Physical

Mental -- Perception G5, Will G5
Physical -- Agility G5, Speed G5, Power B5, Forte B5
Grief -- B7 (I'm assuming that the Tragedy one applies)


Skills:

13 points General, 63 points Lifepath

General (13) --
G2 Bureaucracy
G2 Command
G2 Inconspicuous
G4 Lament of Mourning
G2 Law
G2 Rhetoric
B5 Song of Rage


Lifepath Requirements (24) --
G4 Read
G4 Song of the Etharch
G4 Song of the Sword
G4 Song of Lordship
G4 Voice of the Ages
G4 Song of Councils
G4 Persuasion
G4 Deliberator


Other Lifepath (39) --
G4? Administration
-- Armor Training
G4 Discerner
G4? Elven Script
G4 Etiquette
G4 History
-- Observation Training
G4 Oratory
G4 Song of Silence
-- Shield Training
G5 Sword


BITs:

Beliefs -- The Dark Elves are merely fallen and misunderstood reflections of ourselves; humans aren't SO bad when you get to know them; just because we all actually CAN get along doesn't mean I won't fight for what I believe in
Intuitions -- Draw blade when attacked; sing laments when sad; argue with people who think elves and humans should remain isolated from each other
Traits -- Determined, Lithe, Poised, Pariah


Resources:

730 points

15 Elven Sword
65 Elven Mail (Helmet, mask, jacket, gloves, leggings, boots)
10 Chainmail (Shield)
08 Elven Steed
02 Elven Clothes

02 Travelling Gear
01 Shoes
05 Finery

...Which comes out to 108/730.  At which point I have to ask: how many Servitors/Riders/Seconds can I have?[/spoiler]

[Josh]

I don't get the question.  Are you trying to get a gang or crew? 

Also any property needs to be bought from the mannish list, maxing out at manor. 

also: 

Born Etharch
Student
Sword Singer
Prince
Etharch
Althing
Althing
Etharch

sword singer requires two other lps

it would typically be
Born Etharch
attendant
Second
Swordsinger
prince
etharch

From there to allthing require 4 lps, obviously not possible.

[tsuyoshikentsu]

Sword Singer requires Page, Lancer, Second, Soldier-Protector or Bowyer

Prince requires Born Etharch and Page or Student, and Sword Singer

If this got changed for your edition, tell me.  If it didn't, replace Student with Page and we're all good past me switching a point of Will to Agility and messing with skills.

DOUBLE EDIT: Also, I qualify for Althing twice over, unless that got changed.

Althing requires Adjutant, Captain, Lord Protector, Etharch, Elder, Steward or Prince

[Josh]

So you are going to have less RPs than you thought, but affiliations and followers don't work in a one on one way.  If you want a bunch of elven exiles in your crew, you can have them.

[tsuyoshikentsu]

Can you check the book and see if the prereqs are different than above before I stat up like ten more characters?

EDIT of EDIT: Went ahead and fixed skills for the illegal build above, which will give me less to do when I fix it.  Please tell me if my prereqs are current or not.

EDIT of EDIT of EDIT: Note that the Sword Singer I'm looking at IS NOT the one from the Protector setting; it's the one from the Etharch setting.  (Note that in my book the Sword Singer in Protector has no prerequisites at all; I expect this is a mistake.)

EDIT of EDIT of EDIT of EDIT:  Couldn't sleep, so I fixed the build assuming my prereqs are correct.

[spoiler]Lifepaths:
Born Etharch
Page
Sword Singer
Prince
Althing
Etharch
Althing
Etharch

Age: 1,227

Stats:

19 points Mental, 31 points Physical

Mental -- Perception G5, Will G4
Physical -- Agility G6, Speed G5, Power B5, Forte B5
Grief -- B7 (I'm assuming that the Tragedy one applies)


Skills:

13 points General, 63 points Lifepath

General (13) --
G2 Bureaucracy
G2 Command
G2 Inconspicuous
G4 Lament of Mourning
G2 Law
G2 Rhetoric
B5 Song of Rage


Lifepath Requirements (24) --
G4 Read
G4 Ride
G4 Song of the Sword
G4 Song of Lordship
G6 Voice of the Ages
G4 Song of Councils
G6 Persuasion
G4 Deliberator


Other Lifepath (39) --
G4? Administration
-- Armor Training
G4 Discerner
G4? Elven Script
G6 Etiquette
-- Observation Training
G4 Song of Silence
-- Shield Training
G6 Sword


BITs:

Beliefs -- The Dark Elves are merely fallen and misunderstood reflections of ourselves; humans aren't SO bad when you get to know them; just because we all actually CAN get along doesn't mean I won't fight for what I believe in
Intuitions -- Draw blade when attacked; sing laments when sad; argue with people who think elves and humans should remain isolated from each other
Traits -- Determined, Lithe, Poised, Pariah


Resources:

730 points

15 Elven Sword
65 Elven Mail (Helmet, mask, jacket, gloves, leggings, boots)
10 Chainmail (Shield)
08 Elven Steed
02 Elven Clothes

02 Travelling Gear
01 Shoes
05 Finery

...Which comes out to 108/730.  At which point I have to ask: how many Servitors/Riders/Seconds can I have?[/spoiler]

[Josh]

If we assume you want sword singer and Etharch

1 Born Etharch
2 Attendant
3 Second
4 Sword Singer
5 Prince
6 Etharch

Traits: 10
Required traits:8
Etharch, Fea, Aman, calm demeanor, lesson of one, fealty to the fea, prince of the blood, lord of ages,
other traits
patient, cool headed

525 years, 350 rps,

22 p, 15 m

beyond that allthing has a huge list of requirements.

If you take student and etharch a second time that would round out your LPs.  I can write that all out, if you like.

[tsuyoshikentsu]

[The87]

You should know that Advisor to the Court was errata'd to be maximum four years. 

Is this true?

[Josh]

No idea, I've never seen it errated.

[tsuyoshikentsu]

http://www.burningwheel.org/wiki/index.php?title=Burning_Wheel_Revised_Errata
http://www.burningwheel.org/wiki/index.php?title=Character_Burner_Revised_Errata

They probably got sick of the stupid shit you can pull with a lifepath that says, "set your age."

So, Josh: new lifepath arrangement follows.

Born Etharch
Song Singer
Bard
Loremaster
Althing
Althing
Etharch
Etharch

Stats:

21 points Mental, 29 points Physical

Mental -- Perception G5, Will G6
Physical -- Agility G6, Speed G5, Power B4, Forte B4

Will do rest later; got to run.

[Josh]

Sword singer has more requirements

So does althing iirc

[TheWordSlinger]

[spoiler]
Quattuor Septum
Lifepaths:
Born Noble (Leads to Noble Court)
Page
Squire
Knight (Leads to professional soldier)
Veteran
Captain

Age: 41

Stats:

9 points Mental, 16 points Physical

Mental -- Perception B4, Will B5
Physical -- Agility B4, Speed B4, Power B4, Forte B4


Skills:

5 points General, 40 points Lifepath

General (5) --
B6 Observation


Lifepath Requirements (14) --
B4 Riding
B6 Sword
-- Mounted Combat
B2 Soldier-Wise
B4 Command


Other Lifepath (26) --
B4 Oratory
-- Shield Training
B4 Tactics
B4 Strategy Games
B4 Strategy
B3 Read
B3 Write
-- Armor Training
B4 Field Dressing
B4 Lance


BITs:

Beliefs -- It is my duty to protect the Duke, with my life if necessary. My brother, my squire, is not yet ready to become a knight. No one must know the shame of my heritage.
Instincts -- Always have sword. Draw sword if Duke is threatened. Constantly look for threats to the Duke.
Traits -- Mark of Privilege, Your Lordship, Light Sleeper, Tidy Aspect, Sworn Homage, Pragmatic, Tough, Chronologue, Dutiful, Stubborn, Savvy


Resources:

120 points

20 Superior Arms, sword and lance
08 Warhorse
50 Full suit of Full Plate (Helmet, Arms, Chest, Legs, Shield)

Property
10 Rent

Contacts
10 (half)Brother, Squire
11 Father, Major Crime Boss
03 Mother, minor noblewoman

08 Unspent Points
[/spoiler]

[AfterCrescent]

What's your thought/ruling on having gray shade stats?

[Josh]

I would not drop a stat below 3 to shade shift it

[tsuyoshikentsu]

Sword singer has more requirements

So does althing iirc

Not Sword Singer, SONG Singer.  And you recall incorrectly; the requirements for Althing are:

Althing requires Patriarch/Matriarch, Loremaster, Steward, Bard, Artisan, Sea Captain or Captain.

[AfterCrescent]

I would not drop a stat below 3 to shade shift it

I have 12 mental points and I'm contemplating a 3/4 combo with one of my mental stats being gray, but I'm not sure if that's ideal. Would 5/7 work better? Thoughts?

[Josh]

I would not drop a stat below 3 to shade shift it

I have 12 mental points and I'm contemplating a 3/4 combo with one of my mental stats being gray, but I'm not sure if that's ideal. Would 5/7 work better? Thoughts?

Skills are generally half of the stat, that means 6/6 gives you a 3 root in all mental skills, including the ones that are will/per

[Josh]

http://www.burningwheel.org/wiki/index.php?title=Burning_Wheel_Revised_Errata
http://www.burningwheel.org/wiki/index.php?title=Character_Burner_Revised_Errata

They probably got sick of the stupid shit you can pull with a lifepath that says, "set your age."

So, Josh: new lifepath arrangement follows.

Born Etharch
Song Singer
Bard
Loremaster
Althing
Althing
Etharch
Etharch

Stats:

21 points Mental, 29 points Physical

Mental -- Perception G5, Will G6
Physical -- Agility G6, Speed G5, Power B4, Forte B4

Will do rest later; got to run.

I am going to point out that your last character could do very little, this guy can do even less.  You have High stats and high resources.  But most of your traits will be inapplicable and having such a high rps is not that great. 

You only have one guy who is your smithers.  The rest are people you know who are friendly or they are affiliations.  The very best affiliations Just give you +3 dice to rolls and being an elf all of your human lands circles rolls will be +3 Ob generally. 

I think you are neglecting making a character who can do things rather than seeing you can make your stats and rps really high.  I really don't want this to be a case where you make this character you think is overpowerfully awesome and then discover you can't really do anything.  Also an exile not taking the exile trait is a cop out. 

To that end i realize that the other players had to end their LPs in a particular way, so if you are going to make an exile you need to take the exile trait. 

[tsuyoshikentsu]

Well, now that I've jumped from having one trait point in the original edition to twelve