Tauric Spider Build Help edit:now drider w/vermin lord

[geniussavant]

I'm in the process of creating a character for an up coming high powered campaign, and I need some help. First off, the campaign is gestalt, but the first ten levels of one side of the build must be taken up with racial HD and LA the second half with Prc levels. This means the final build has to look something like: Class x +prc1 x//Racial hd z+ LA a +prc2 b, where z+a=10. I get the stats 18, 16, 16, 14, 12, 10 before racial mods and can be placed in any order. All books are open, except third party(but I may be able to get it with permission, if I need to.) I want to create a vermin based character that is some kind of spider based tauric creature. Vermin lord looks like a viable Prc and its hive mind ability will keep me up in power during the campaign. so far what I have is to use druid as a base, but I'm open to suggestions. It looks like the group will consist of just me and one other player who is most likely going to focus on support while I do most of the action, but that's how we like it. I'm thinking that I will need to cover offensive casting and melee. Ideas so far include using lots of summoned vermin for fodder and melee with spells like venomfire and other vermin buffs to cover 'offensive' casting. I do want the character to have a very heavy spider and to lesser extent vermin feel.

Right now I'm looking at using a medium vermin for tauric creature that way I will be able to have full mobility, as I expect this to be an Underdark campaign.

Edit: so far medium monstrous spider from srd//mm looks to be my best be for the creature part to tauric template

[carnivore]

why not something like this:

Goliath(+1 LA) 1/2 Dragon(+3 LA) Entomanothrope(+2 LA) Large Monstrous Spider(4 HD) = 10

try this:

Monk 2/ Ardent 14/Ur Priest 4//Goliath(+1 LA) 1/2 Dragon(+3 LA) Entomanothrope(+2 LA) Large Monstrous Spider(4 HD)/ Vermin Lord 10(progressing Ur Priest)

*note : the 4 Ur Priest levels are taken as soon as Possible to be completed before 10th lvl

required Feats:
Monastic Training(Ardent)
Tashalatora(Ardent)
Iron Will
Spell Focus(Evil)
Vermin Friend


 

[geniussavant]

I like that build, you must have picked up on me penchant for psionics from my other posts, but why half-dragon? Any suggestions for spells I should take? And are there any ways to add druid's spell list to ur priest?

[snakeman830]

why not something like this:

Goliath(+1 LA) 1/2 Dragon(+3 LA) Entomanothrope(+2 LA) Large Monstrous Spider(4 HD) = 10

try this:

Monk 2/ Ardent 14/Ur Priest 4//Goliath(+1 LA) 1/2 Dragon(+3 LA) Entomanothrope(+2 LA) Large Monstrous Spider(4 HD)/ Vermin Lord 10(progressing Ur Priest)

Problem: the Entomanothrope requires Humanoid or Giant as the base race.  You have to go Half-Giant for base race if you still want Powerful Build.

[Andras]

A Drider is exactly 6hd+4LA. Granted it's Large, but it's perfect for Underdark. Plus you get 6 caster levels and fantastic ability modifiers.

[geniussavant]

The drider would work, but I was trying to get something medium sized, hense using a medium vermin for tauric.

[Rebel7284]

The drider would work, but I was trying to get something medium sized, hense using a medium vermin for tauric.

Just stroke the rod until you shrink.

[geniussavant]

Can dungeonbred be applied to drider? I'm away from books at the moment.

[Andras]

Dungeonbred can be applied to a Aberration.

[geniussavant]

How about I go drider w/dungeonbred and maybe a few +0 La templates for race, that would give me medium size, 6 levels of cleric(or sorcerer or wizard) to build off of, 6 aberration HD, some decent spell likes, and a climb speed. What do you think?

[PhaedrusXY]

The drider would work, but I was trying to get something medium sized, hense using a medium vermin for tauric.

Just stroke the rod until you shrink.

Sounds like something from an X-rated version of Alice in Wonderland. FWIW, he means Rod of Wonder. You could also go with a permanent Compression psionic power, though.

[geniussavant]

I caught the rod of wonder reference , and both of those would work, and the 6 cleric casting levels from drider look really promising, and dungeonbred gives a few things like improved natural attack and +'s to con and str. If I do use drider, I'm thinking of taking spider and pestilence domains. see edit

stealing from carnivore's build, how about something like:
Monk 2/ Ardent 16/cleric 2//Drider hd 6/ Drider la 4/ Vermin Lord 10(progressing Ur Priest)

*note : the 2 levels of cleric are used to advance drider casting, and should most likely be sub'ed out for a prc,  but I can't think one to take, and thus must be taken between 6 and 11

required Feats:
Monastic Training(Ardent)
Tashalatora(Ardent)
Vermin Friend

Edit: I didn't realise that the drider's domains were only to be chosen out of Chaos, Destruction, Evil, and Trickery, but since they weren't created with a whole lot of available domains, I will ask about getting their list made bigger.

[Andras]

Don't forget to apply the ability modifiers for changing sizes in the back of the MM, and, for extra Lulz, buy a helm of alignment change and play a LG Drider.

I think the final ability mods will be
Str: +0 (+4rac, +4 temp, -8 size)
Dex: +6 (+4rac, +2 siz)
Con: +6 (+6rac, +4 temp, -4 siz)
Natural Armor: +4 (+6rac, -2 siz)

[geniussavant]

I'll also get Int +4, Wis +6, Cha+6

And do my class hd effect the dc on my poison?

Edit: my dm will allow me to pick any two from this list of domains as long as I tie my character's fluff in for why he worships them. Shouldn't be to hard for a writer now should it, :

Cavern
Chaos
Darkness
Destruction
Drow
Evil
Hatred
Pestilence
Retribution
Shadow
Spider
Suffering
Trickery
Wrath

Edit 2: If I were to completely drop ardent, I could go something like: Druid x+ Vermin keeper 10 +prc x// Drider HD casting 6(cleric) Drider la 4+vermin lord 10

This would give me full druid casting, vermin(swarm) wildshape, vermin companion, hivemind, vermin servant, chitin, and swarm armor among a few other things. If I take child of winter(iirc) I can summon vermin with my SNA spells and that plus my vermin companion and servants I should have a decent hivemind going at all times.

[skydragonknight]

Reminds me of someone's character in a PbP...Tauric Phase Spider.

[geniussavant]

Got a link or a few hints so I can search?

[skydragonknight]

Unfortunately it was a Fighter, so it was a waste. Would have been better as a Spider 5/Rogue 1/Swordsage 2/Master Thrower(?) 1 (Craven at 6th, Shadow Blade at 9th: throw daggers) since it's ethereal jaunt can basically deny foes their Dex at will.

[geniussavant]

Yeah that doesn't help that much.

If I were to completely drop ardent, I could go something like: Druid x+ Vermin keeper 10 +prc x// Drider HD casting 6(cleric) Drider la 4+vermin lord 10

This would give me full druid casting, vermin(swarm) wildshape, vermin companion, hivemind, vermin servant, chitin, and swarm armor among a few other things. If I take child of winter(iirc) I can summon vermin with my SNA spells and that plus my vermin companion and servants I should have a decent hivemind going at all times.

I'd use vermin lord to progress drider casting to get 12 level progression and 6th level spells from it.
 Any thoughts on this?

[carnivore]

here is the Corrected build:

Monk 2/ Ardent 14/Ur Priest 4//Half Giant(+1 LA) 1/2 Dragon(+3 LA) Entomanothrope(+2 LA) Large Monstrous Spider(4 HD)/ Vermin Lord 10(progressing Ur Priest)

*note : the 4 Ur Priest levels are taken as soon as Possible to be completed before 10th lvl

required Feats:
Monastic Training(Ardent)
Tashalatora(Ardent)
Iron Will
Spell Focus(Evil)
Vermin Friend

the reason for 1/2 Dragon: Boost to stats and Immunity to Energy Type and give +3 LA, it could be some combo of other templates to get +3LA as well

also this build can cast 9th lvl Spells and Manifest 9th lvl Powers ... and both are Wisdom based... and it has 16th lvl Monk abilities on top of that

 

[geniussavant]

Are there any decent ways to add spells to the ur priest, namely off the druid list?