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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2010, 07:06:09 AM »
I think he should take Dodge, Mobility, and Spring Attack.
And Skill Focus(speak language)...
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4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2010, 07:47:59 AM »
Attributes: 32pt buy

14 Str(14)
28 Dex(16 +6 Racial +2 lvls +4 item)
14 Con(14)
10 Int(12 -2 Racial)
20 Wis(14 +2 Racial +4 item)
8 Cha(8)

Flaws:
Vulnerable
Murkey Eyed

Feats:
Education(Flaw bonus)
Knowledge Devotion(Flaw Bonus)
Imp Unarmed Strike(Monk bonus)
Weapon Finnesse(Monk bonus)
Combat Reflexes(Monk bonus)
Imp Disarm(Monk Bonus)
1st lvl: Martial Study(Shadow Blink)
3rd lvl: Martial Stance(Assasins Stance)
6th lvl: Shadow blade
9th lvl: Superior Unarmed Strike

this will have 4 regular attacks(+8 BAB +9 Dex +3 Insight +2 Enhancement = +22/+22/+22/+17) .... and can do 2d6 Sneak attack with them also... damage should be 2d10+9 Dex +2 Str + 3 Insight + 2 Enhancement = +27 Damage(+7 Sneak attack when Applicable)

Equipment:
13000gp Monk Belt
16000gp +4 Gloves of dex
40000gp +4 amulet of Wis  and +2 Amulet of Mighty Fists


how much gold does this build get ... regular for 11th lvl?

 :D
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 06:46:21 PM by carnivore »

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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2010, 08:40:20 AM »
But I have a friend who is thinking about playing one. I'm going to try and showcase some things to him. He will be LEVEL ELEVEN (ECL13) with his race being Githzerai.

Things that I need help highlighting:

-Getting UA damage dice up.
-Getting Stunning Fist save up and tweaking stunning fist (I know you can make it ranged somehow).
-Disabling; tripping, grappling, disarming.
-Miscellaneous tips and tricks.


If you're willing to help, please cite source material. If you just want to throw down a link to a build, that's fine, too. I can usually dismantle them and figure out what information is there. Thanks, guys!  :D
Here you go   :p

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  -the "glow" button on the "Post Reply" form
  -the "Change Color" select box, also on the "Post Reply" form

Oh and a couple builds you might find useful

Sir Giacomo's Guide to Monks  -  This might be more up your ally, if not, go ahead and put it there :notamused
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80704

Also Solo has a somewhat related guide that you might find useful
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=8270.0

this is the most important one
http://tinyurl.com/38kvjo5
Very nice.

This might be more up your ally,
I know a monk can use any part of his body as a weapon, but...

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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2010, 11:14:23 AM »
also to answer your question further:

"-Getting UA damage dice up."
Superior Unarmed Strike .... boosts progression
Imp Natural Attack(Unarmed Strike) ... boosts Die size
boosting your Physical Size with Magic or Psionics increases Die size further ... as well as reach and Str

"-Getting Stunning Fist save up and tweaking stunning fist (I know you can make it ranged somehow)."
Wisdom based .... Boost Wisdom+Ability Focus there are some Magic items that also boost it ...a Marshal Cohort with Motivate Wisdom... also for Ranged:

Ki BlastDenying Stance variant can help
Tripping is Strength based ... and also Size influenced ...avoid if Possible, but Hand and Foot, Overwhelming Attack, and Passive Way

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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2010, 11:23:25 AM »
Is everyone here seriously that stupid? I asked for help building an 11th level Monk, not X Monk X PrC, not for advice on how to play 3.5, not for a Wizard grappling build, not to for your thoughts and feelings on Monk as a class. I used to have a quote from my girlfriend in my sig that read "Wow these min max dudes can't read" - I should put it back in.
@ Basically everyone. You're morons; Monk is a zero to ONE level dip.
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Wow... you're kinda dumb, huh?....

LoL. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was a troll.


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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2010, 06:30:58 PM »
I think he should take Dodge, Mobility, and Spring Attack.
And Skill Focus(speak language)...
How about that feat that makes you have Truespeak as a class skill and go for Word Given Form? You just need 12 ranks in truespeak and tumble, and Combat Expertise
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2010, 07:18:47 PM »
Anybody else find it ironic that the guy calling us stupid says that wizards give a shit about grapplers?

On topic:

I recommend Skill Focus: Swim and Skill Focus: GTFO
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2010, 07:32:18 PM »
On topic:

I recommend Skill Focus: GTFO
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2010, 03:37:17 AM »
I recommend Skill Focus: Swim and Skill Focus: GTFO
You have to take Skill Focus(gtfo) or take Skill Focus(Tits), no exceptions when it comes to a monk.
Tiers explained in 8 sentences. With examples!
[spoiler]Tiers break down into who has spellcasting more than anything else due to spells being better than anything else in the game.
6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
1: Elitists. Artificer, Cleric, Druid, Wizard.
0: Gods. StP Erudite, Illthid Savant, Pun-Pun, Rocks fall & you die.
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2010, 04:00:16 AM »

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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2010, 06:04:55 AM »
Time to improve that Charisma score.

More like.

or...


This might be more up your ally,
I know a monk can use any part of his body as a weapon, but...
...really?

yes, and he can take that however he wants, if that involves lubricant and removing his hard drive,... all the better
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2010, 06:10:28 AM »
I think that we should let the topic die now :P
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2010, 04:43:17 PM »
Don't forget Enlarge Person & Magic Fang  ;)
Tiers explained in 8 sentences. With examples!
[spoiler]Tiers break down into who has spellcasting more than anything else due to spells being better than anything else in the game.
6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
1: Elitists. Artificer, Cleric, Druid, Wizard.
0: Gods. StP Erudite, Illthid Savant, Pun-Pun, Rocks fall & you die.
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2010, 05:27:59 PM »
Sheesh. Guys, don't flame the Woodrow. Woodrow, don't flame the guys. You're all my buds. So play nice...please?

@Thread topic:
Ki straps, from MIC +stunning DC. Carnivore got the rest. Given how weak the group is, even spring attack tripper should get a passing grade as battlefield control.

Ki blast takes a standard action and only deals 3d6+Wis...so it's terrible, right? Mostly. What it does give is: 1. force damage. 2. ranged damage. 3. a really nice readied action against spellcasting.

That and carnivore's stuff is more than enough options to make a character that can play on par with that group.
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Re: I don't know anything about Monks (Help!)
« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2010, 06:07:00 PM »
I think that we should let the topic die now :P

I agree. As much as I love this hate induced circle jerk this thread has been resolved.