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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2010, 11:34:13 AM »
Thought of another possible way to get wildshape.

Moonspeaker Guardian grants it at 5th level, though I don't recall what the prereq's are, or if it's even possible to advance arcane casting with it.
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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2010, 03:58:39 PM »
Thought of another possible way to get wildshape.

Moonspeaker Guardian grants it at 5th level, though I don't recall what the prereq's are, or if it's even possible to advance arcane casting with it.

Nope, divine only, might be good for a cleric though.

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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2010, 09:36:07 PM »
Limited Wish can emulate Psyref too.
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PsyRef can swap out it's spells known.  We had a little thread about this and found nothing preventing it.  Can we say broken?
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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2010, 11:57:35 PM »
Limited Wish can emulate Psyref too.
Full transparency. Ew

You know, it does say 'Produce any other effect whose power level is in line with the above effect'.

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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2010, 03:00:39 PM »
... But ironically, one class may well be even better for this :

Warmage!

PsyRef can swap out it's spells known.  We had a little thread about this and found nothing preventing it.  Can we say broken?  Now you don't really even NEED limited wish, since every good spell will be one of your known spells, taking dips as needed to add more known slots.  I still have yet to fully explore this avenue, but once I have a master list of god on 'roids spells made for it, I'll let you know.

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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2010, 09:10:25 PM »
From the description of Psychic Reformation:

"The subject can also choose to forget powers it acquired when advancing to its current level, replacing them with new ones."

Implicit in this statement would be the notion that you can only pick spells from your spell list, surely. That is, a Warmage, Beguiler, or Dread Necromancer would only be able to select new spells from their spell list - ie, you wouldn't be able to learn entirely new spells. I appreciate that a RAW argument can be made that it just says 'replacing them with new ones', and doesn't mention what spell list they come from. With that in mind, if a Warmage was able to swap out their spells, it would make Psychic Reformation the most powerful spell in existence. My original Sorcerer/Planar Shepherd wouldn't need to exist, since a Druid/Planar Shepherd could just use one Wish to get every single useful Sor/Wiz spell they need onto their spell list.

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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2010, 03:37:52 AM »
BOED also had the Sentinel of Bharrai Prc. It allows you to change into a bear, and progresses arcane casting.
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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2010, 04:05:20 AM »
Yep, I spotted that one, cheers johnboy.

On a similar wildshape topic, True Dragons (including Kobolds) can acquire an Alternate Form special ability. Wild Shape is a form of Alternate Form. Is there a rule based argument that allows Alternate Form to be used in place of Wild Shape?

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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2010, 06:08:07 AM »
Yep, I spotted that one, cheers johnboy.

On a similar wildshape topic, True Dragons (including Kobolds) can acquire an Alternate Form special ability. Wild Shape is a form of Alternate Form. Is there a rule based argument that allows Alternate Form to be used in place of Wild Shape?

I do not believe so.

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Re: Arcane Wildshape
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2010, 11:49:35 PM »
Yep, I spotted that one, cheers johnboy.

On a similar wildshape topic, True Dragons (including Kobolds) can acquire an Alternate Form special ability. Wild Shape is a form of Alternate Form. Is there a rule based argument that allows Alternate Form to be used in place of Wild Shape?

Thanks. I used that Prc last year with my animal companion Battle Sorcerer. It was a fun character to play.
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