Arcane Wildshape

[OblivionSmurf83]

Hey guys,

Are there any ways, besides Arcane Hierophant, or Mystic Ranger/Sword of the Arcane Order, for a Sor/Wiz based caster to get Wild Shape?

[bearsarebrown]

Divine Minion?

[Ithamar]

What's wrong with good ol' Polymorph?

[ksbsnowowl]

The Shapeshifter prestige class from Oriental Adventures.  Requires ability to cast polymorph or a racial shape-shifting ability.  It only grants half-casting, but it gets you wildshape up through elementals.  Note that it is a 3.0 book, so there are some slight differences that your DM can probably just hand-waive.

Also, the Abolisher PrC (Lords of Madness) grants small/medium wildshape only, with its first level.

[KellKheraptis]

IIRC the Lion of Talisid grants Wild Shape as well, though would need a trick, since I think it only progresses divine casting.

[OblivionSmurf83]

Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I'm looking to minimise the amount of levels of any class I have to take to get the Wild Shape, in order to leave myself more room for other prestige classes.

Ithamar, I'm aiming eventually for a Sorcerer/Planar Shepherd build, so that's why I'm pushing for Wildshape. Normally I'd be all over Polymorph and it's companions, of course!

[CantripN]

Any particular reason you'd rather be a Sorcerer than a Druid? There are a few reasons, but not many. Free Spellcasting?

[Agita]

There's also the matter of Planar Shepherd advancing only divine spellcasting.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

ya agita I was reading this going... what?

[OblivionSmurf83]

Yep, I'd be relying on Alternative Spell Source to allow me to count Sorcerer as a Divine spellcasting class. The reason why I'm favouring Sorcerer over Wizard is that, if you have a source of free wishes (And therefore free psychic reformation), it's a better base class than Wizard. The Sorcerer's only disadvantage over a Wizard is that he can't adapt his spells to a particular situation. A Sorcerer who can psychically reformate avoids this problem nicely.

[Negative Zero]

Limited Wish can emulate Psyref too. Free Wishes are better spent on other things.... mm, yes.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

relying on Alternative Spell Source to allow me to count Sorcerer as a Divine spellcasting class

Ew!

[Negative Zero]

relying on Alternative Spell Source to allow me to count Sorcerer as a Divine spellcasting class

Ew!

Something I was thinking about earlier today. Does anyone know what that feat (and Southern Magician) is actually supposed to do? What's its purpose? I honestly have no idea.

[Anklebite]

relying on Alternative Spell Source to allow me to count Sorcerer as a Divine spellcasting class

Ew!

Something I was thinking about earlier today. Does anyone know what that feat (and Southern Magician) is actually supposed to do? What's its purpose? I honestly have no idea.

another case of WotC not thinking shit through. although, you can use it to ignore arcane spell failure from armor.

[OblivionSmurf83]

Limited Wish can emulate Psyref too. Free Wishes are better spent on other things.... mm, yes.

I agree completely! But unfortunately, I don't know of any way of getting free limited wish as a Sorcerer!

[Solo]

Cast Shapechange, Shapechange into a Zodar. Profit.

[OblivionSmurf83]

I was going to call that cheesy, but I suppose I'm not only using Alternative Spell Source as a qualifyer, I'm also picking up Planar Shepherd, so I'll be quiet!

Actually, scratch that, Zodar's good, but you only get it at 18th level for non-Kobolds. Any earlier ways?

[bearsarebrown]

Something I was thinking about earlier today. Does anyone know what that feat (and Southern Magician) is actually supposed to do? What's its purpose? I honestly have no idea.

As stated, yes, getting rid of ACF. It also will remove some material components. Identify for example.

[CantripN]

Limited Wish can emulate Psyref too. Free Wishes are better spent on other things.... mm, yes.

I agree completely! But unfortunately, I don't know of any way of getting free limited wish as a Sorcerer!

Dweomerkeeper? Supernatural Transformation (Arcane Fusion)? Phaerimm? Phaerimm + Supernatural Transformation (Limited Wish)?

[KellKheraptis]

Ultimate Utility Caster, changable each day :

UA Spellcaster 5/Mindbender 1/Incantatrix 10/Dweomerkeeper 4

Uses Alternate Source Spell or Southern Magician, Int based Arcane, and draws from any bloody list you want (damn near).  If you aren't afraid of a little cheese, either retrain in or sub out levels for PrC Pally 1, PrC Ranger, and PrC Bard 1, making sure to achieve at least 18 casting levels, and be the true omnicaster.  You'll have access to every list (other than like...Wu-Jen), access to a Tome of Ancient Lore for ones you don't, and eventually have every spell ever anyhow.  But ironically, one class may well be even better for this :

Warmage!

PsyRef can swap out it's spells known.  We had a little thread about this and found nothing preventing it.  Can we say broken?  Now you don't really even NEED limited wish, since every good spell will be one of your known spells, taking dips as needed to add more known slots.  I still have yet to fully explore this avenue, but once I have a master list of god on 'roids spells made for it, I'll let you know.