Building Better Fochlucan Lyrists

[KellKheraptis]

Other than my dual 9 Cheater of Mystra, how can we take advantage of a crappy prereq PrC with an otherwise stupendous chassis?  I mean fuck, full BAB, full dual progression, full bardic progression, 6+int skills, d6 hd (only downer of being an ubergish)    For posterity, here's the CoM :

Cloistered Cleric 3/Wizard 1/Spelldancer 2/Mystic Theurge 2/Arcane Hierophant 2/Fochlucan Lyrist 10

Cheater of Mystra meets archmage, fractional BAB 16, dual 9's, music as a level 10 bard, high skills from chassis and high Int, better hp than a straight wizard or rogue.

EDIT : Spelldancer, not Spellsinger...

[DavidWL]

This was my favorite Fochlucan Lyrist build:

Incarnate2/Bard3/Soulcaster4/UrPriest1/SublimeChord1/FochluhanLyrist9

Having level 6 incarnum abilities is pretty cool, and makes this much more playable at all levels.  Also, it saves precious feats.  Doesn't get Mystra goodness, but a very elegant and playable build.

Best,
David

[gorfnad]

Bard 2/ Druid 3/ Green Whisperer (Drag #311) 5/ Sublime Chord 1/ Fochluhan Lyrist 9 - Dual 9s just requires a trick to get evasion like Impulse Boots

[Surreal]

I would be tempted to move Ur-priest back one and get Incarnate 3 just for the extra essentia capacity.

[DavidWL]

I would be tempted to move Ur-priest back one and get Incarnate 3 just for the extra essentia capacity.

The problem is that the last 11 levels should be ur priest 1/sublime chord 1/fochlucan lyrist 9 if you want to max out ur-priest and sublime chord.  Likewise, you can't take incarnate earlier because of the skill requirement.

The build is pretty hard to move around.  

Best,
David

[Surreal]

If you make the last 10 levels: Ur 1/SC 1/FL8 then you still get 9th level spells in both.

[KellKheraptis]

Possible break-through : Take the feat (2 actually IIRC) that let you get one rank higher than max, and take Foc Lyr 1 as your 10th character level, allowing Sub Chord at 11 and still full Foc Lyr.  Coupled with Ur-Priest, this is dual 9's.  Base the initial part on Bard, with Spellthief and Spelldancer rolled in, and you should have a stupendous CL and high bardic abilities.  I'll see if I can get a working build up later tonight.

EDIT : Better late than never!

Bard 5/Mindbender 1/Ur-Priest 1/Spelldancer 2/Fochlucan Lyrist 1/Sublime Chord 1/Fochlucan Lyrist 2-10

-Uses the Favored feat to get 13 ranks early and get into FL at 10th.
-Spelldancer progressing Bard.
-CL of 18 SC and 20 Ur-Priest.
-Fractional BAB 16.
-Fractional Saves of 8/15/24.
-Bardic abilities of a level 16 bard.
-Dual 9's