Loredrake vs Divine Magic

[Takanaki]

Dragonspawn can also be an at birth/creation template

Can it? I thought it was something done in a ritual to existing creatures. Hence why it is an aquired template, and not an inherited one.

I cannot find anything to conclusively settle this, so as usual it will come down to your DMs interpretation but you're unlikely to find one that will allow you to take the White Dragonspawn template to begin with.

I've allowed it in a game I was DMing. With LA buyoff, even. Sorcerers are the bastard stepchildren of Wizards of the Coast, and I figured they could use the boost, anyway. Especially since that guy was using the Battle Sorcerer variant, which is even worse than the normal one.

Eww Battle Sorcerer, also, the ritual apples to the mind and soul of the creature no age limit... do it to an embryo at fertilization : D or just retrain.

[PhaedrusXY]

Eww Battle Sorcerer, also, the ritual apples to the mind and soul of the creature no age limit... do it to an embryo at fertilization : D or just retrain.

An embryo is not a creature. Want to have that argument here? Or before Congress?

[Tshern]

Or the Supreme Court.

[Prime32]

That's in the book Dragons of Krynn or something, and I have not got that book... nor have I looked at that book, nor has anyone. I mean, the book probably doesn't even exist right? It's all hear say.

Actually, it's Dragonlance Campaign Setting.

[Takanaki]

That's in the book Dragons of Krynn or something, and I have not got that book... nor have I looked at that book, nor has anyone. I mean, the book probably doesn't even exist right? It's all hear say.

Actually, it's Dragonlance Campaign Setting.

I heard it's the Dragons of Kynn book that says you get +3LA if you're not with your thrall leader. Dragonlance is where the template is from. There's more than a fair chance I am wrong though.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

I have the required books and actually took a look at how everything interacts. I created a epitome of Loredrakeness in the Namesake thread, if it interests anyone. For the record it still did worse than my tripple nines. It is a powerful combo to be sure but it isn't as bad as, say, a beholder mage.

[altpersona]

* altpersona raises his hand

i just read about a special word.

then i find that word is in this thread and used in a way that really intrigued me.

im a little familiar w/ kobalds, and white dragonspawns and loredrakes.

but i cant quote backwards n forwards, and dont know the books off the top of my head..

what i saw in here was this

By all means correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't White Dragonspawn require Humanoid subtype?

Corporeal or Monstrous Humanoid. A Kobold is Humanoid.

If you're not a human you get forced into becoming a dragonspawn abomination (+1 la), which can give you another three levels of spellcasting. Example, White Dragonspawn Abomination Loredrake Kobold at the 6th level can cast as a 13th level sorcerer.

However, nearly no DM allows it and the legality of it is very questionable. You could probably get it to pass if you were single classed in a gestalted game or something. Since you cannot acquire the 25 rank or whatever in spellcraft, the extra caster level advancements really just cover branching out, like a warblade/jpm/mon combination.

im not used to seeing the 'abomination' word attached to dragonspawn.

abomination is that special word i read about a little bit ago.

is it being used descriptively or is the non human dragonspawn a proper abomination?

im afb, im afraid, or i would double check my self..

im not sure i have the krynn books to check w/ even..

[Negative Zero]

It is definitely not the Abomination type from the ELH. I can't tell you more than that, however.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Honestly, White dragonspawn appears in three or four books, and has been errata and rewritten and adjusted and whatever, so unless we all agree on a book there's no point in discussing it, since we'll all be talking about different templates.

[deuxhero]

Divine casting is a neat trick, but it falls into Mystic Thuge's CL vs varity trap (and it uses it's own spell slots for divine magic)