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Not sure how to make this build work.
« on: May 29, 2009, 09:59:39 AM »
In Faith's of Eberron there is a class called Argent Fist. It lets me do monk stuff in Armor. Is it worth the level dip and if so how do I finish it out?

monk2 /paladin2 /argent fist X/ X? (thinking fighter and getting abunch of unarmed stuff) not sure how to finish it or where to go with it.

Pretty much go wild with this build as this is just a thinking exercise on my part. Any Source just wanna get other peoples idea if this was worth it or if I'm just thinking this is better then it is.

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Re: Not sure how to make this build work.
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 10:26:42 AM »
Why do you have paladin there?

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Re: Not sure how to make this build work.
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 10:43:19 AM »
Why do you have paladin there?

Because Argent Fist a Monk/Paladin PrC...

You could want to take some levels in those PrCs that increase the dice of unarmed strikes...

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Re: Not sure how to make this build work.
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2009, 11:04:30 AM »
Ok, you may want to take the feat Serenity, which bases paladin things off WIS rather than CHA
[spoiler]Serenity

Type: General
Sources: Dragon #306
Dungeon Compendium Vol. 1

Your wisdom, inner calm and sagacity fuels your class abilities rather than your force of personaility or will.

Prerequisite: Divine grace
Benefit: Use your Wisdom bonus in place of your Charisma bonus for purposes of divine grace, lay on hands, smite evil, and turn undead.
Normal: The abilities use your Charisma bonus.[/spoiler]

Also give thought to the feat Intuitive Attack, which lets you use Wis instead of Str to hit for natural weapons and simple weapons.
[spoiler]Intuitive Attack

Type: Exalted
Source: Book of Exalted Deeds

You fight by faith more than brute strength.

Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1
Benefit: With a simple weapon of your size or a natural weapon, you may use your Wisdom modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls.
Special: A fighter may select Intuitive Attack as one of his fighter bonus feats.[/spoiler]

Ascetic Knight helps stack your monk and paladin levels
[spoiler]Ascetic Knight

Type: General
Source: Complete Adventurer

You belong to a special order of religious monks that teaches its adherents that self-enlightenment and honorable service grow from the same well of purity. As a student of this philosophy, you have blended your training as a paladin and as a monk into one seamless whole.

Prerequisite: Improved Unarmed Strike, ability to smite evil.
Benefit: Your paladin and monk levels stack for the purpose of determining your unarmed strike damage. For example, a human 3rd-level paladin/1st-level monk would deal 1d8 points of damage with her unarmed strike.
Your paladin and monk levels also stack when determining the extra damage dealt by your smite evil ability.
In addition, you can multiclass freely between the paladin and monk classes. You must still remain lawful good in order to retain your paladin abilities and take paladin levels, and you must remain lawful in order to continue advancing as a monk. You still face the normal XP penalties for having multiple classes more than one level apart.[/spoiler]

If you can cast paladin spells, try the feat Battle Blessing, which lets you do so as swift actions.

Snap Kick from ToB gives an extra unarmed attack at -2 penalty to all attacks.

Superior Unarmed Strike lets you deal damage as if you were a monk of 4 levels higher. May stack with Monk's Belt. I'd forgo the belt in favor of a Belt of Magnificence gives a boost to all stats.

The +2 version is 25K, the +4 version is 100k, and the +6 version is 200k. Cheaper than buying a bunch of items separately.


« Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 11:20:23 AM by Solo »

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Re: Not sure how to make this build work.
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 01:30:39 PM »
And if you're going with a Wis-based build, try to squeeze in Shiba Protector (OA) for Wis to attack and damage :)
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Re: Not sure how to make this build work.
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2009, 02:55:34 PM »
I like  Monk 2/Cleric 4/Paladin 2/Argent Fist 2/Sacred Fist 10.  If you can, I'd go prestige paladin so you can get 7th level cleric spells.
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Re: Not sure how to make this build work.
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 03:09:21 PM »
I like  Monk 2/Cleric 4/Paladin 2/Argent Fist 2/Sacred Fist 10.  If you can, I'd go prestige paladin so you can get 7th level cleric spells.

This entry meets the base attack bonus requirement (+5) of Argent Fist, unlike Monk 2/Paladin 2. :)

Also, Prestige Paladin is a great idea.

Khorus, how open are you to Dragon Magazine material? Because martial monk, is, as they say, "hax".

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Re: Not sure how to make this build work.
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2009, 03:11:30 AM »
Stick on the Phrenic template and take Magic in the Blood at first level.  It'll give you more versatility, and some nice stat boosts for your paladin/monk abilities. 

If you have LA buyoff, it's virtually free.
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Re: Not sure how to make this build work.
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2009, 01:12:08 PM »
I'd recommend looking closely at the Book of Nine Swords some more. Specifically their is a SwordSage variant that gets a Monk's unarmed abilities, he gets Wis to AC at level 2, plus you get to pick up a bunch of useful maneuvers and stances.

I've heard of martial monk before, can some tell me which Dragon magazine it's in?