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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2009, 06:17:50 PM »

  Very win. Sexy. Gotta playtest this sucker, but this maybe the ultimate RS.
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2009, 06:26:28 PM »
ironic that the prismatic scaled winged snakes you are worshipping can't even compare to your power....  but hey, it isn't CO if the god you worship isn't dirt beneath your feat.

thanks for the praise Straw_man, im quite proud of myself for figuring out the lvl 2 entry trick  :D

... if you do playtest this, epic or non-epic, could you make a CO diary?
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2009, 06:38:45 PM »

  Your welcome sir. Its a sweet trick. If I can get anyone to allow this beast in agame I'll do a CO diary, but I'm doubtful about any game lasting past one session in epic.
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2009, 02:52:34 AM »
anyways, its going a bit off topic...   so is the best build then warmage(or DN, whatever)1/RS10/sacred exsorcist1/SC1/MT7?  or should we have the SC level and then SE applying the extra CL to SC?  this way, we get 9th levels of both!

ninth level SC + ninth lvl rainbow warsnake = win?

EDIT:  best epic entry evar?  sure, you gotta finish three more levels of MT before you can take it epic for the bonus feats... but starting epic with this sort of casting with all of spellcraft, knowledge(arcana) and knowledge(religion) with awesome duo casting all keying off of CHA (epic SAD ftw?) would be kind of awesome....  do you get double the epic spells (since you have arcane and divine casting, AND ranks in both knowledges)?

How are you qualifying for the level in sublime chord in this build without bardic music?

For that matter, the 10 ranks in Perform?

Or am I missing something obvious because I'm tired?
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2009, 03:23:11 AM »
You need to squeeze in Prestige Bard.
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2009, 03:49:56 AM »
anyways, its going a bit off topic...   so is the best build then warmage(or DN, whatever)1/RS10/sacred exsorcist1/SC1/MT7?  or should we have the SC level and then SE applying the extra CL to SC?  this way, we get 9th levels of both!

ninth level SC + ninth lvl rainbow warsnake = win?

EDIT:  best epic entry evar?  sure, you gotta finish three more levels of MT before you can take it epic for the bonus feats... but starting epic with this sort of casting with all of spellcraft, knowledge(arcana) and knowledge(religion) with awesome duo casting all keying off of CHA (epic SAD ftw?) would be kind of awesome....  do you get double the epic spells (since you have arcane and divine casting, AND ranks in both knowledges)?

How are you qualifying for the level in sublime chord in this build without bardic music?

For that matter, the 10 ranks in Perform?

Or am I missing something obvious because I'm tired?

  I had Prestige Bard in my stub when I was working it out earlier. And you'd be taking it at SC at 12th level, so you should have the ranks if its a class skill,  and there are enough ways out there to get it as a class skill.
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2009, 05:14:27 AM »
But if you lose any more spellcasting progression, you won't end up with 9/9, you barely get to 9 on the SC side as it is, any thoughts on how to work around that?

11 warmage casting at 11th, SC for 1, then SE applying to SC makes it two, MT7 adds seven to each, which nets warmage 18 (with 9th spells, but that's not changeable to drop down), and SC 9, which gets you 9ths.

Maybe I'm still missing it.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2009, 05:31:30 AM »

  9/9 casting sir. Barely but there, and 2 separate spellcasting classes to make up the numbers. Not just cleric but wizard as well. What more do you want?

  By the way, instead of SE I had Prestige Bard, then SC. Adding DMM requires using DN instead or Warmage to start and I think it'll be tricky juggling alignment restrictions.
 
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2009, 07:01:44 AM »
Ah, yeah that would make more sense there. Still only nets Chord casting of 8th, not 9th (SC 1, plus the 7 from MT nets level 8 Chord casting, which is one short of 9th bardic sor/wiz).

Spontaneous casting of all Divine spells, and any and all bard/wiz/sorc spells that are also accessed by Clerics, plus 8th level Sublime Chord casting (8th level Bard spells, not just those with a Cleric casting too) isn't bad at all, for a rainbow hippie :P

Any way to get the rest of the Sor/Wiz spells not on the warmage list, by any chance? Tis a shame there, since that's really all I can complain about :P (Well, the few spells not covered that are domain specific, but hey, we can't always have our psionic sandwiches and eat them, too).

Any particular reason to use Prestige Bard over regular bard? You only have 1 base class as it is, and both would be within 1 level of each other. MT allows you to choose which class to add it's casting advancement, and Chord doesn't advance anything Bardic that isn't stand alone as-is. I'm trying to hit this from a "My DM doesn't allow Prestige Bard usage" angle, in case someone else has to deal with that issue, or wants to do a Journal.

EDIT:
Fucking fail on my part. I need to stop typing when I'm half-awake.

Also, I know what else I could want: 9th level maneuvers, Dark invocations, 9th level powers, and soul chakra binding, and whatever else isn't already crammed into this build :P
« Last Edit: January 26, 2009, 10:16:30 AM by McPoyo »
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
[/spoiler]

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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2009, 10:22:38 AM »
Also, I know what else I could want: 9th level maneuvers, Dark invocations, 9th level powers, and soul chakra binding, and whatever else isn't already crammed into this build :P
How about binding 8th-level vestiges?
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2009, 10:30:08 AM »
Damnit, knew I was forgetting something.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2009, 10:33:58 AM »
Imbuing 6th-level infusions also comes to mind. A 9d6 Eldritch Blast on top of that would be cool, but not necessary.
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2009, 10:37:24 AM »
11 fighter feats  :p
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2009, 11:42:32 AM »
StDC/EtDC fixes the need for bonus feats :P

Or Taint :P
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
[/spoiler]

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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2009, 01:08:00 PM »
you guys bring up a valid point....

do we want eldritch theruge, anima mage or soulcaster? we could always do jade phoenix mage, but i think ruby knight windicator would be better on the sublime way side...  so, what'll it be?

anyone have some way to determain which of these is best?
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2009, 01:19:26 PM »
Warmage1/Rainbow Servant10/Geomancer9. Advance your Warmage casting. Go ahead. It counts for EITHER ONE! Wanna cast spells in heavy armor? Cast ANY SPELL in heavy armor.

I don't know what the real benefit of this is, I'm thinking that if we could get Wraithstrike on the list that this'd be the ultimate gish, between Divine Power, Righteous Might, Wraithstrike, and Heroics, all persisted, and perhaps all Residual Magic DMM extend-persisted via casting Anyspell and using the residual magic effect to extend-persist any spell duplicated by Anyspell...

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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2009, 07:50:04 PM »

  We should have a Rainbow party and test out these builds. anyone want to try their hand at GM'ing a level 6, 12, and 18 snapshot campaign?
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2009, 09:02:34 PM »
Warmage1/Rainbow Servant 10/ Iot7V 7/ Radiant Servant of Pelor 2?

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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2009, 01:32:57 AM »
I see mention of prestige bard, but nothing for prestige paladin yet?

Warmage 1/Rainbow Servant 10/Sacred Exorcist 1/Prestige Paladin 3/Silver Pyromancer 5 nets you Divine Grace and paladin spells (why doesn't prestige paladin give pally spells anyways?), plus a bunch of other goodies.
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Re: Truly optimizing the rainbow warmage
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2009, 05:28:49 AM »
I see mention of prestige bard, but nothing for prestige paladin yet?

Warmage 1/Rainbow Servant 10/Sacred Exorcist 1/Prestige Paladin 3/Silver Pyromancer 5 nets you Divine Grace and paladin spells (why doesn't prestige paladin give pally spells anyways?), plus a bunch of other goodies.

  Would be a good gish *nods*. Why's SP there for?
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