Warlock Information Compilation

[Solo]

I don't believe you can progress Chameleon casting with prestige classes. Remember, it doesn't count as far as prerequisites go.

[bearsarebrown]

I don't believe you can progress Chameleon casting with prestige classes. Remember, it doesn't count as far as prerequisites go.

Why shouldn't you be able to progress it? You can qualify with other spellcasting classes. PrCs which advance spellcasting do not specify that you must advance in the class which is used to qualify.

[InnaBinder]

I don't believe you can progress Chameleon casting with prestige classes. Remember, it doesn't count as far as prerequisites go.

Why shouldn't you be able to progress it? You can qualify with other spellcasting classes. PrCs which advance spellcasting do not specify that you must advance in the class which is used to qualify.

Because of this clause:

[Nanshork]

I don't believe you can progress Chameleon casting with prestige classes. Remember, it doesn't count as far as prerequisites go.

Why shouldn't you be able to progress it? You can qualify with other spellcasting classes. PrCs which advance spellcasting do not specify that you must advance in the class which is used to qualify.

Because of this clause:

Your quote has nothing to do with his argument.

[KellKheraptis]

I don't believe you can progress Chameleon casting with prestige classes. Remember, it doesn't count as far as prerequisites go.

Why shouldn't you be able to progress it? You can qualify with other spellcasting classes. PrCs which advance spellcasting do not specify that you must advance in the class which is used to qualify.

Because of this clause:

That didn't disprove any of bearsarebrown's post.  You don't use Chameleon to qualify, you use something else, and advance Chameleon because it's a spellcasting class.

EDIT : Ninja'd by Nanshork

[The_Mad_Linguist]

"other option"

Thus, it does not qualify as a spellcasting class.  Thus, when PrCs say they can progress a spellcasting class, it is not on the list of things they can progress.  Thus, you cannot progress chameleon spellcasting, unless the class also progresses spellcasting of classes that don't have spellcasting, or progresses based on a different basis (this class progresses the spellcasting of any class that begins with 'c', for example).

[Cagemarrow]

Well that's disappointing, didn't see that part as it wasn't listed under the aptitude focus section. I've got a couple of levels to play with though so could maybe use a different class to thuerge with.

[InnaBinder]

"other option"

Thus, it does not qualify as a spellcasting class.  Thus, when PrCs say they can progress a spellcasting class, it is not on the list of things they can progress.  Thus, you cannot progress chameleon spellcasting, unless the class also progresses spellcasting of classes that don't have spellcasting, or progresses based on a different basis (this class progresses the spellcasting of any class that begins with 'c', for example).

DING!

[Ivory Knight]

Just curious: Would Uncanny Trickster or Legacy Champion work with Chameleon?
Both progress "+1 level of existing class features", IIRC 2/3 and 7-8/10?

Warlock-specific: Both PrC's would work with the doubleprogressions(here: Eldritch Disciple or Eldritch Theurg)?

[Havok4]

Just curious: Would Uncanny Trickster or Legacy Champion work with Chameleon?
Both progress "+1 level of existing class features", IIRC 2/3 and 7-8/10?

Warlock-specific: Both PrC's would work with the doubleprogressions(here: Eldritch Disciple or Eldritch Theurg)?

I see no reason why it would not work.

[bearsarebrown]

It doesn't qualify as having class features to advance. According to TML's reading.

[Havok4]

It doesn't qualify as having class features to advance. According to TML's reading.

But the class feature progression does not check anything, it only checks to see if you are progressing a class, which chameleon does qualify for.  The abilities like spell casting gained from chameleon do not qualify as class features, but the aptitude focus ability itself does qualify so legacy champion would progress it. In fact xyz8/chameleon 2/legacy champion 10 loses nothing from chameleon and gains a good will save and the legacy champion abilities.

[wotmaniac]

The abilities like spell casting gained from chameleon do not qualify as class features, but the aptitude focus ability itself does qualify so legacy champion would progress it.

and since chameleon spellcasting is a function of aptitude focus ..... 

[bearsarebrown]

It doesn't qualify as having class features to advance. According to TML's reading.

But the class feature progression does not check anything, it only checks to see if you are progressing a class, which chameleon does qualify for.  The abilities like spell casting gained from chameleon do not qualify as class features, but the aptitude focus ability itself does qualify so legacy champion would progress it. In fact xyz8/chameleon 2/legacy champion 10 loses nothing from chameleon and gains a good will save and the legacy champion abilities.

Oh okay. I get it now. Strange how it works like that. Can't progress parts of the whole, only the whole.

[Tenebrus]

Sorry if this has been covered before but I have a Hideous Blow question.

Some assert that HB stinks because you have to cast EB in 1 round, strike in the next, cast again in the next, strike in the next, etc.  But reading the description says no such thing.  "If you hit, the target is affected as if struck by your eldritch blast" (emphasis mine).  That says to me that attack and EB damage both happen at the same time, with no need to waste rounds.

This also makes sense with Eldritch Glaive.  You get a lot more flexibility with EG but lose the weapon damage.

Am I missing something?

[snakeman830]

No, you're not.  Still no reason whatsoever to use Hideous Blow, however.

[Garryl]

Yup, you've got that right, Tenebrus. Hideous Blow is a single action that deals weapon damage plus EB damage/effects.

Similarly, eldritch glaive is a single action to form your "glaive" and make a full attack with it. While you don't get the base weapon damage that HB grants, EG lets you make your attacks as touch attacks and allows you to make a full attack (instead of being limited to a single attack). That usually makes it pull ahead in most respects.

[Tenebrus]

No, you're not.  Still no reason whatsoever to use Hideous Blow, however.

How about for a Fighter-3/Warlock 1 armed with a (real) glaive?  1d10+1d6+Strength+2x power attack isn't so shabby.  S/he becomes a Fighter-4/Warlock-3 doing 1d10+2d6+2+strength+2x power attack and still qualifies for Improved Critical at 9th.

Note that this is for a non-ToB campaign.

[CantripN]

Hideous Blow is also a Standard Action and just 1 attack. Even of the damage may be higher at low levels, it's also less likely to land.

That Fighter 4 / Warlock 3 could instead make 2 attacks with his Eldritch Glaive.

[snakeman830]

What would be a recommended Gestalt combo for a Warlock?