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Half dragon template
« on: September 03, 2011, 04:33:15 PM »
I wanted to try to remake the half dragon, so it would be a bit more playable. The balance point of this might be slightly higher than normal for PC races, but it shouldn't be too crazy. I'm not sure how it will work in practice. The use of a RHD for typical LA+0 races will slow casters down and probably be a boost for non-casters. This may mix well with other races with lots of racial hit dice, but I didn't really put that much thought into those races/monsters.

The goal is to get something playable for LA+0 PC races without going overboard.



Half Dragon

Creating A Half-DragonSize and Type
The creature's type changes to dragon. Size is unchanged. All racial Hit Dice become dragon hit dice, which likely affects hit points, saves, and BAB. Also note that creatures with one hit die (including PC races) have their hit die converted to dragon. This effectively gives them one racial hit die taken before they gain any class levels.

Speed
All half dragons have wings. They can use these wings to slow their fall so they do not take any damage, or to glide. When gliding, a half dragon travels 40 feet horizontally for every 10 feet of descent.

Once a half dragon has at least five hit dice (counting class levels), it can fly at double their base land speed (max 120 ft) with average maneuverability.

In order to use the wings, the half dragon must be able to spread them, and they must have enough available space to accommodate a creature one size larger than themselves.

Armor Class
The half dragon's natural armor improves by +1, or it gains a natural armor bonus of +1 if it did not have any.

Special Attacks
All half dragons gain a breath weapon. Consult the table below to see what type of energy damage the breath weapon deals and what shape area of effect the breath weapon affects. All breath weapons deal 1d6 damage per hit die (including class levels), and deal half damage on a successful Reflex save (DC 10 + 1/2 hit dice + Constitution modifier). The range of a cone is 10 feet per odd hit die, and the range of a line is double this.

When a half dragon uses its breath weapon, it must wait 1d4 rounds before it can do so again.

Special Qualities
A half-dragon has all the special qualities of the base creature, plus darkvision out to 60 feet and low-light vision.

A half dragon gains energy resistance to the same type of energy as its breath weapon equal to double its total hit dice.

If a half dragon has levels in the sorcerer class, he may add his racial hit dice to his sorcerer class level for purposes of determining level-dependant variables for his sorcerer spells.

Abilities
Increase from the base creature as follows: Str +2, Cha +2.

SkillsChallenge Rating
If base creature has one racial hit die, same as base creature.

If base creature has two to more racial hit dice, same as base creature +1.

Level Adjustment
If base creature has one racial hit die, same as base creature.

If base creature has two to more racial hit dice, same as base creature +1.



Dragon type and breath weapon
Color       Energy       Blast
            Type         Shape
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Black       acid         line
Blue        electricity  line
Green       acid         cone
Red         fire         cone
White       cold         cone
Brass       fire         line
Bronze      electricity  line
Copper      acid         line
Gold        fire         cone
Silver      cold         cone


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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2011, 06:40:23 PM »
Another idea I had was to nix the template idea and simply make three races. This bypasses the worry about what happens to a race as the template is applied. They'd be:

Medium:
This has all of the stats of the above template (with 1 RHD) and no other racial qualities.

Small:
Same as medium, but small (with all the usual changes), +2 Dex and -2 Str applied on top.

Large:
Same as medium, but with 4 RHD, large size, +4 Str, +2 Con, and -2 Dex on top of the normal mods. Has +6 natural armor instead of +1.
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Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
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Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 02:42:38 AM »
While the rules only say that humanoids with one racial hit die drop it for a class level, it seems to be generally assumed for non-humanoids as well.  Elan, warforged, killoren, and neraph are examples of where the designers appear to have assumed it. 

I like the idea of making half-dragon a separate race.  I'd make it a +0 ECL race with a racial paragon class that gives the good stuff. 

I think you should throw in two claw attacks.  At 1d4 for a medium creature, it's not adding any power, but it is flavorful. 

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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 05:44:38 PM »
A paragon could be cool, but I'm not sure what I want it to do. I was hoping this approach would be a decent approach to how 3.5 actually works:

  • The single RHD doesn't stack with casting, although it hurts sorcerers somewhat less.
  • The single RHD meshes well with non-casters (full BAB, best HD, and all good saves)
  • The breath weapon it gets is very weak at low levels, so it shouldn't be problematic at this point.
  • The breath weapon scales with level, so it has its uses.
  • The wings don't offer flight at low levels.
  • By the time the wings let you fly, casters can fly normally.

My hope was a single RHD would be close to what you'd expect to see from a 1st level PC, and it would stack well with non-casters. It's basically an attempt at a LA that comes with a useful HD. It stunts casting, but is otherwise useful. I'm trying this approach out in a Tome-lite game I just started running last weekend. I used it for two NPCs, but I haven't actually put them in combat yet.
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Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
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I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2011, 11:36:18 PM »
Half-dragon = Dragonborn of Bahamut with the serial numbers filed off :P I hate the fluff on the "real" Dragonborn template, anyway.
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 12:58:52 PM »
Half-dragon = Dragonborn of Bahamut with the serial numbers filed off :P I hate the fluff on the "real" Dragonborn template, anyway.
What do you mean?
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Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
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I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
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Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 01:02:18 PM »
Half-dragon = Dragonborn of Bahamut with the serial numbers filed off :P I hate the fluff on the "real" Dragonborn template, anyway.
What do you mean?
I mean a simple solution for half-dragons is just to use the Dragonborn of Bahamut template, but call it a half-dragon, since the fluff for the Dragonborn template sucks anyway (IMO), and it's a LA +0 "dragon-guy" template. It also gives you some decent options to choose from, so they don't all have to have wings (if for some reason the guy playing it wants something else). You can still pick up the other things via feats, too (draconic breathe, dragon wings, etc).
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2011, 10:02:20 AM »
Is there a web enhancement for that, or is it just in one of the three dragon books? I don't have any of the three books.
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Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2011, 01:36:33 PM »
Is there a web enhancement for that, or is it just in one of the three dragon books? I don't have any of the three books.
It is online. I can't access WotC from work, but I'm sure you can find it via google.
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2011, 02:32:06 PM »
Thanks. Now that you mention it, I have seen it before. I could see using it for something quick and dirty, and I suppose it's nicer for casters, but it seems a bit weak for my tastes.

Would it be overpowered to put all three of those aspects together? The breath weapon is quite underwhelming. I don't see it as an issue combining it with flight.
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[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 06:49:53 PM »
Thanks. Now that you mention it, I have seen it before. I could see using it for something quick and dirty, and I suppose it's nicer for casters, but it seems a bit weak for my tastes.

Would it be overpowered to put all three of those aspects together? The breath weapon is quite underwhelming. I don't see it as an issue combining it with flight.
It's already borderline overpowered for a LA 0 template. So yes. :P They can get all three via feats, anyway. You take the senses aspect, then take Dragon Wings, Improved Dragon Wings, and Dragon Breathe as feats. I think those are from Races of the Dragon. Then you basically wind up with all 3 aspects, but you have to pay for them. (I am not 100% sure on the breathe being accessible as a feat, but the wings definitely are).
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Re: Half dragon template
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 12:57:43 AM »
While the rules only say that humanoids with one racial hit die drop it for a class level, it seems to be generally assumed for non-humanoids as well. 
Technically it goes for all creatures, the srd just puts it under a confusing heading.
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