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Re: +0 ECL Non-Humanoids
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2011, 02:33:57 PM »
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2011, 03:49:06 AM »
Quote from: Player's Guide to Faerun, Page 190
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2011, 04:38:13 AM »
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2011, 06:44:41 AM »
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2011, 08:01:22 AM »
ok, so full ghost template + a class level @ first level?  :o

telekinesis 12cl -5(b/c LA) = 9cl @ level 1

EDIT: ehh, I guess not, it says 'races'  :shakefist
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2011, 03:25:56 PM »
Just look at the Epic Level Handbook's list of LAs ;)
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2011, 03:37:30 PM »
Adult Incarnum Dragons are LA+0.  They have 19 racial HD, but they are LA +0.
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2011, 03:40:32 PM »
Quote from: snakeman830 on July 24, 2011, 03:37:30 PM
Adult Incarnum Dragons are LA+0.  They have 19 racial HD, but they are LA +0.

Oh those idiots... They didn't put a - there.


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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2011, 04:04:17 PM »
What's up with the part: "Level Adjustment:
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2011, 04:11:35 PM »
Most of the Epic Level Handbook monsters have a negative LA.

The lowest being -30 for the Atropal
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2011, 04:46:31 PM »
Quote from: Shiki on July 24, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
What's up with the part: "Level Adjustment:
Well, the sample dragon they gave was an Adult and has LA+0 stated right there.

Truthfully, I'd allow it as a level 19 character.  Soulborn meldshaping sucks, but it's okay when paired with dragon abilities.
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2011, 04:55:07 PM »
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What's up with the part: "Level Adjustment:
Well, the sample dragon they gave was an Adult and has LA+0 stated right there.

Truthfully, I'd allow it as a level 19 character.  Soulborn meldshaping sucks, but it's okay when paired with dragon abilities.

I guess it wouldn't much of a stretch to allow it for the lulz. ;)
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2011, 05:17:49 PM »
Old Prismatic Dragon has 58HD and a +0 LA
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2011, 05:24:04 PM »
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Old Prismatic Dragon has 58HD and a +0 LA
So just take -58 to everything and proceed to take out those pesky kobolds? Or better yet, coerce them into working for you.

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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2011, 05:25:58 PM »
Quote from: Lycanthromancer on July 24, 2011, 05:24:04 PM
So just take -58 to everything and proceed to take out those pesky kobolds? Or better yet, coerce them into working for you.

Actually, the penalty is based on the Level Adjustment, not the ECL adjustment.
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2011, 05:39:45 PM »
Quote from: Sinfire Titan on July 24, 2011, 05:25:58 PM
Quote from: Lycanthromancer on July 24, 2011, 05:24:04 PM
So just take -58 to everything and proceed to take out those pesky kobolds? Or better yet, coerce them into working for you.

Actually, the penalty is based on the Level Adjustment, not the ECL adjustment.
Then take some templates with obscene LAs, take the penalties, then find another template (like petitioner) that takes all your LA away?

Might give you negative LA if things stack properly.
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2011, 06:10:12 PM »
Quote from: Lycanthromancer on July 24, 2011, 05:39:45 PM
Then take some templates with obscene LAs, take the penalties, then find another template (like petitioner) that takes all your LA away?

Might give you negative LA if things stack properly.

Doesn't work for templates, just races.
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2011, 06:24:36 PM »
"half-dragon human" is a race.
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Re: +0 LA Non-Humanoids
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2011, 06:54:39 PM »
Well if we're getting the HD, forest land wyrm(draconomicon?) Has 15 HD and only +3LA
when combined with ToB or other HD related classes... = Win!

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But if you look at the paragraph before in players guide to faerun(pg 190ish,), it explains that the next two sections are for races with 1 HD and a higher LA  :(
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Re: +0 ECL Non-Humanoids
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2011, 08:02:14 PM »
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