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Bell

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Re: Some Gishtalt advice, Please
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 01:27:46 PM »
I was planning on craft talisman, but it requires ranks in a craft skill, and my classes aren't exactly rolling in skill points.

as for abj. champion, I've been thinking about it, and I think you might be right.  2 classes worth of class features is probably going to be better than what I get for abj. champion.

I don't think I'll do cloistered cleric though, this build is MAD enough as it is.  STR, CHA, CON are all important, and right now, the only one with no real utility for him is WIS.  If I add CC, that's just one more stat I have to deal with boosting.  also, rage mage would have to go on the other side of the build, since a class can only be on one side of the gestalt, but that's not a big deal.  This is starting at lvl 1, so I don't have to have my final levels planned quite yet, so I'll give it some more thought.

Thanks for all the advice you're giving me.
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Re: Some Gishtalt advice, Please
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 05:15:19 PM »
Count the cloistered cleric as just a free basic class choice.  Pick anything - there are so many good options.  The rest is still better, I think, because Dragon Disciple just screams to be finished, once taken that far.

Other thematic choices that you might not have thought of:
Dragon shaman
Dragonfire adept (cooler than warlock for you, I think)
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Re: Some Gishtalt advice, Please
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 05:29:23 PM »
Bell, remember that Craft Talisman requires Int 13+.
So, that would make you even more MAD.
Dragon Shaman dip seems interesting...+2 to fort and will, 3 minor auras and a neat HD size.
Vigor makes no real difference on characters still fighting, but makes all the difference in the world in helping stabilizing dying ones. You might not always have time to stabilize your friends when you are busy fighting to save you own life.
Power is a +1 unnamed bonus to damage.
Senses a +1 unnamed bonus to intiative.
Just go around with Senses always active, switch to Power during combat and switch to Vigor once people starts to drop/looks very hurt.
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the most effective optimization is the one you can actually get away with.  :smirk

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I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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Re: Some Gishtalt advice, Please
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 08:36:50 PM »
unfortunately, Dragon Shaman is on ksbsnowowl's list of banned classes due to setting restrictions.  I do think I'm going to drop Abj. Champ. in favor of more D. Disciple though, the benefits really aren't as good as I was thinking they were. Then going to Rage Mage 5 on Side A leaves me with another free level on Side B.  Fighter 2 doesn't really seem that useful, but I might consider it to et Shock Trooper a level earlier, freeing up my 12th level feat.  I'll give it some thought and seee what I pop out.
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Re: Some Gishtalt advice, Please
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2009, 08:55:07 PM »
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unfortunately, Dragon Shaman is on ksbsnowowl's list of banned classes due to setting restrictions.
:embarrassed I knew that.

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I do think I'm going to drop Abj. Champ. in favor of more D. Disciple though, the benefits really aren't as good as I was thinking they were. Then going to Rage Mage 5 on Side A leaves me with another free level on Side B.
That would be better, yes. Abjurant Champion is really nice, but your second option there seems nicer.
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Quote from: Runestar
the most effective optimization is the one you can actually get away with.  :smirk

Quote from: Vinom
(A group of nerds are called a murder because like crows we are anti-social, like shiny things, and often squack at each other over nothing for hours)

Quote from: Operation Shoestring on November 08, 2009, 03:11:54 AM
I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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Binder? You're Welcome

Zceryll makes Binders go from tier 3 to tier 2.
Cagemarrow is a Genius

Before giving the advice that build X would be better of with Fist of the Forest, take a long, good look at Primal Living. Twice.

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Re: Some Gishtalt advice, Please
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2009, 10:07:00 PM »
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  Side A                Side B                     Feats
Barbarian 1           Sorcerer 1   Power Attack (1st), Versatile Spellcaster (Human)
Barbarian 2           Sorcerer 2   
Barbarian 3           Sorcerer 3   Scribe Scroll (3rd) - I have to take this for setting reasons
Barbarian 4           Sorcerer 4   
Barbarian 5           Sorcerer 5   
D. Disciple 1          Sorcerer 6   Combat Casting (6th)
Rage Mage 1          Sorcerer 7   
D. Disciple 2          Sorcerer 8   
D. Disciple 3          Sorcerer 9   Leap Attack
Rage Mage 2          Fighter 1      Improved Bull Rush (Ftr 1)
D. Disciple 4          Sorcerer 10   
Rage Mage 3         Sorcerer 11    Shock Trooper (12th)
D. Disciple 5          Sorcerer 12   
D. Disciple 6          Sorcerer 13   
D. Disciple 7          Sorcerer 14     OPEN (15th)
D. Disciple 8          Sorcerer 15   
D. Disciple 9          Sorcerer 16   
D. Disciple 10        Sorcerer 17    Dragon Breath (18th)
Rage Mage 4            Scout 1
Rage Mage 5         Sorcerer 18   
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I still don't know what to take as my 15th level feat..  I seem to remember seeing somewhere a feat that allowed you to channel spells through a breath weapon, but I can't find it anywhere.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or am I crazy?

EDIT: I decided that a level of scout complemented the build at 19 well enough that it was worth it.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 10:31:18 PM by Bell »
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Re: Some Gishtalt advice, Please
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2009, 05:01:58 AM »
While I don't know the goals of your build (other than to be a gish), a swiftblade would be significanltly more effective than a dragon disciple (IMO).

Also, taking advantage of charisma synergy could considerably improve your toughness.

Example Build:

Sorcerer 14/Paladin 2/Monk 2/Feat Rogue 2 \\ Fighter 2/Psychic Warrior 2/Ranger 1/Swiftblade 10 / Anything 5
w/ Ascetic Mage and Spell Reflection special =>
Cha to saves and AC
Evasion and Spell Reflection
Perhaps you could pick up mettle as well.

What is your starting level?
What are the rules regarding playing special races?  LA?  Racial HD?  Playing a steel dragon could be pretty cool.  (Especially with the "Wyrm of War" option).

Best,
David
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I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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Re: Some Gishtalt advice, Please
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2009, 11:18:07 AM »
The starting level is 1
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