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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #80 on: October 23, 2011, 06:23:54 PM »
Interesting. I used page 4 and 5 of the MM and Gnoll is listed under Humanoid the same way Mind Flayer is listed under Aberation. I see your point about how it's listed in the table entry.

Hmm... the way that sidebar lists everything, lumping races and subtypes together, certainly opens up room to argue that races and subtypes are effectively the same thing. Of course, it's a list of monsters by type (and subtype)- not a list of types and subtypes.  So it's certainly not a RAW basis for interpretation, but it's not that outlandish. At least it's an opening for the argument if your DM is on the fence about it.

On the other hand- the Ritual of Association does have bizarre limitations. You can gain the "gnoll" subtype of humanoid, but not the "elf" subtype. You can become a "goblinoid" but not a bugbear. What makes gnolls and bugbears so different that one is a parenthetical (subtype) and one isn't? Why is "halfling" excluded while "angel", "elemental", or even "undead" is not?

Anyway, my point (and I think I had one) is that what is and is not possible with the Ritual of Association is completely arbitrary. It seems clearly intended to give one a RACIAL association and limiting it by the poorly grouped type and subtype definitions just makes it more confusing (Not to mention specifically excluding the PHB character races). Defining it by race would be much simpler. Of course all of this is moot as it all falls under "DM interpretation" and therefore can't have much place in a rules discussion. Unfortunately, the ritual IS limited by type and subtype (with a few arbitrary exclusions) AND type and subtype are clearly (if, again, arbitrarily) defined in the rules. Mind flayers are a race, not a subtype, so RAW only the Major Rituals can let you become one.
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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #81 on: October 24, 2011, 08:16:45 PM »
I have a question regarding the acquire X abilities.

Specifically, did you notice you don't benefit from acquire X per Y levels of Illithid savant, but per brain? (I wish I was making this up. It's somewhat sane if you read it the conservative way, but it is easy to argue RAW is per brain.)

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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #82 on: October 24, 2011, 09:14:13 PM »
I have a question regarding the acquire X abilities.
Specifically, did you notice you don't benefit from acquire X per Y levels of Illithid savant, but per brain? (I wish I was making this up. It's somewhat sane if you read it the conservative way, but it is easy to argue RAW is per brain.)
Now I really have to get that book out of storage.
There was a thread on this a while back. Can't remember the name. Either it focused on ilithid savant or it was very prominent in the discussion. I'll try to find the link.

ah ha. The on illithid savant thread split of from fun finds.
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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #83 on: October 24, 2011, 09:23:39 PM »
Specifically, did you notice you don't benefit from acquire X per Y levels of Illithid savant, but per brain? (I wish I was making this up. It's somewhat sane if you read it the conservative way, but it is easy to argue RAW is per brain.)
Yes. In fact we had an argument about that before (jojo beat me to linking it).

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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2011, 08:34:42 PM »

... just about posted something, and then got even more confused about that something.


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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2011, 09:21:37 PM »
{ ... If someone ate my brain they'd know which smiley face to insert now ... }
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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #86 on: October 26, 2011, 12:21:53 PM »
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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #87 on: October 27, 2011, 12:15:28 PM »
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Re: Illithid Savant Information [In Progress]
« Reply #88 on: October 27, 2011, 06:58:12 PM »

{ ... insert I usually know which to use, but was being topical smiley face ... }


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