Optimization: Control Body?

[geniussavant]

Can a character be built around the use of the power Control body using all 3.5 WotC sources, that uses the power for both its defense and offense? This does not prelude the use of other powers, or even spells, but Control body should be the focus of the build. 32 point buy for creation with suggestions for 54 point buy, la-buy off is allowed. I realize that the characters will not have access to control body at early levels, and so, all builds should expect to come into play at 10th level.

Thanks to all who attempt this

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/controlBody.htm

[bearsarebrown]

You can't really base a character around it. It's only one power. Solicit the concentration to your psicrystal. Remember to just pump your Int and you can dump Dex fairly safely. Just watch that Ref save. Use this thread to find ways to gain Int to more modifiers. Faerie Mysteries Init being the strongest, replacing Con with Int for HP. A monk level and Kung Fu Genius will grant you Int to AC again. Maybe even Talasharota(fuck spelling im not even going to try) to advance other Monk features. Someone gaining a Thunder Lance through items would make you even crazier. For the record, don't bother with Swashbuckler. It's not worth it.

Monk 1/Psion 19 (lets be easy)
All the feats listed above. No Thunder Lance.
Int to AC twice.
Int to HP
Int to attack and damage.
20th level Monk features.

Control Body lets you dump Str and Dex. Faerie Mysteries Init lets you dump Con. And no one cares about Wis or Cha. If you want to waste some feats for novelty take Keen Intellect and Insightful Reflexes to truly dump Dex and Wis.

[geniussavant]

I recognize most of what you gave, but what's thunder lance? By based on control body, I meant that the character used the power as its go-to power once in combat.

[bearsarebrown]

You can only use it once in combat. Then you have to fight. It's a buff spell.

Thunder Lance is from SpC. It's a spell that summons a weapon which uses CL as BAB and casting stat as STR.

[geniussavant]

Couldn't the power be used to take control of anything humanoid in shape? as long as it fails its save? Any way to boost that save DC?

[Endarire]

Control body's seeming original purpose is to control others' bodies.  People got wise to the buff aspect.

[geniussavant]

If possible, I would like this character to use both respects of the power.

[veekie]

Couldn't the power be used to take control of anything humanoid in shape? as long as it fails its save? Any way to boost that save DC?

Thats still somewhat inferior to using it on yourself, passing it to your psicrystal, since you're reliably equipped and still manifesting away. Using it to control someone else tends to give you unreliable equipment, except on enemies who are likely to make the save.

Psionics has more effective ways to mind control enemies.

[geniussavant]

Would you mind elaborating on psionic's mind control besides thrallherd, dominate and charm? Originally I wanted to see just what the best control body could do, but I love the idea of you are mine to control.

[bearsarebrown]

Oh. I didn't even consider offensively using it. While your Psicrystal concentrates you can still take a full round mental action. Manifest Schism then spam Control Body on everyone around you.

[X-Codes]

Psionics has more effective ways to mind control enemies.

Control Body is the definitive anti-spellcaster power because it's not mind control, so all the typical defenses against mind control fail to stop it.  One manifesting of Control Body vs. the relatively weak Fort saves of the Wizard means that the Wizard can suddenly not use any spells with Somatic components at all.  Probably not even verbal ones.

[Maat_Mons]

Can you make the wizard close his eyes?  If so, there go targeted spells. 

[jameswilliamogle]

Would you mind elaborating on psionic's mind control besides thrallherd, dominate and charm? Originally I wanted to see just what the best control body could do, but I love the idea of you are mine to control.

What else needs elaborating?  Read the powers and the augments, and there ya go.

[geniussavant]

The only thing that u can't do, according to the text, is make the speak or perform non physical actions. Hell with a liberal DM you could force their heart to stop, so closing eyes is a go, unless someone sees something that contradicts this.

@jameswilliamogle: which powers, beside those I listed, and which augments?

[Prime32]

Become a dragonborn. Repeatedly.

[geniussavant]

Can u perform that ritual multiple times? I doubt any DM would allow it, unless it specifically says that you can.

[jameswilliamogle]

The only thing that u can't do, according to the text, is make the speak or perform non physical actions. Hell with a liberal DM you could force their heart to stop, so closing eyes is a go, unless someone sees something that contradicts this.

@jameswilliamogle: which powers, beside those I listed, and which augments?

CHARM AND DOMINATE

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/charmPsionic.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/dominatePsionic.htm

[RelentlessImp]

You can only use it once in combat. Then you have to fight. It's a buff spell.

Thunder Lance is from SpC. It's a spell that summons a weapon which uses CL as BAB and casting stat as STR.

Reading the Thunder Lance spell description, I don't see where it uses your caster level for BAB.

[bearsarebrown]

You can only use it once in combat. Then you have to fight. It's a buff spell.

Thunder Lance is from SpC. It's a spell that summons a weapon which uses CL as BAB and casting stat as STR.

Reading the Thunder Lance spell description, I don't see where it uses your caster level for BAB.

I remembered it wrong then.

[strider24seven]

If you use Control Body on yourself and Solicit your Psi-crystal, are you considered to be denied your DEX bonus to AC for the purposes of sneak attack/sudden strike? 
I quote this line:  "The subject gains no benefit to Armor Class from its Dexterity, but it does gain a bonus to its AC equal to your Intelligence bonus."