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I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« on: November 08, 2010, 10:49:52 PM »
Control body works well if you don't need to use a standard action each round to maintain it.  The skill trick Swift Concentration (Complete Scoundrel) seems essential to making this work.

Still, why not use metamorphosis instead?  They're the same power level!
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2010, 10:50:35 PM »
Solicit Psicrystal. Your Psicrystal concentrates on it for you.
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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2010, 10:55:44 PM »
I was thinking of solicit psicrystal, but considered the 1 round/level duration a hindrance.
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2010, 10:57:20 PM »
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Manifesting Time:    1 swift action

With Schism or Linked power, throwing up Control Body and Solicit psicrystal on the first round of combat is simple.

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 11:09:32 PM »
Control body works well if you don't need to use a standard action each round to maintain it.  The skill trick Swift Concentration (Complete Scoundrel) seems essential to making this work.

Still, why not use metamorphosis instead?  They're the same power level!
Why not use both? Also, Polymorph and its ilk are frequently banned in games.
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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2010, 11:11:34 PM »
And the concept of Controlling your body through psionic prowess instead of your nervous system is cool.

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2010, 11:33:33 PM »
You uses the Psion's primary stat for attack bonus, too.

This belongs in the other thread, not a new thread.

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2010, 11:41:27 PM »
And the concept of Controlling your body through psionic prowess instead of your nervous system is cool.

Especially when you're so far beyond the physical that you don't think twice before delegating control of your body to your pet rock.

(Technically, you do think twice though. Once to think "Control Body" and once to think "Solicit Psicrystal," but whatever.)
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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2010, 11:54:08 PM »
The true power is that your psicrystal concentrates to move you and you still make a full round with a mental actions.

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2010, 11:57:54 PM »
I always thought Schism was involved to have your second, wimpier mind handle the Control Bodying while you flung full-level powers all over the place. Mind, it's been a long time since I've actually read anything about it, so.
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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2010, 12:03:47 AM »
You uses the Psion's primary stat for attack bonus, too.

This belongs in the other thread, not a new thread.

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2010, 12:05:25 AM »
Sinfire: Huh?
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2010, 12:06:14 AM »
Sinfire: Huh?
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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2010, 12:22:28 AM »
You uses the Psion's primary stat for attack bonus, too.
Of course, there are better ways of doing that.
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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 12:43:17 AM »
Of course, there are better ways of doing that.
Better?  How so?  One feat at L9 as a non-Kineticist psion, or just pick it at L7 as a Kineticist, and that's Int to AC, attack, damage. 

There's other ways to get Int added to attack, but none are more efficient (yes, Warblade, but they don't really use Int all that much; Factotum isn't good enough to replace psionics to make the inspiration investment worth it).

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 12:48:07 AM »
Of course, there are better ways of doing that.
Better?  How so?  One feat at L9 as a non-Kineticist psion, or just pick it at L7 as a Kineticist, and that's Int to AC, attack, damage. 

There's other ways to get Int added to attack, but none are more efficient (yes, Warblade, but they don't really use Int all that much; Factotum isn't good enough to replace psionics to make the inspiration investment worth it).
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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 12:53:20 AM »
Oh, I didn't think about B***$h1t!  You're probably right about that one.  :lol

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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2010, 02:21:54 AM »
Telekinetic thrust works as well, though it doesn't qualify for MotUH without a common-sense ruling.
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Re: I'm not understanding the appeal of Control Body for Gishes.
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2010, 06:13:36 AM »
The trick is to perform the Ritual of Rebirth and become a dragonborn. Then do it again and again until you have 0 Dex and massive Con. Make sure the last ritual grants you a breath weapon.

Since psionic powers don't have components, you can still manifest despite being unable to move. In emergencies you can use animal affinity.
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