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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2010, 10:56:20 PM »
Mindblank also foils Foresight.  It foils all divinations.  Can't be selective about the ones that others are using against ya.  So Mindblank has to go down to use CoP properly.  If you can't ask about the victim, nor the offender, there is no way to make CoP work.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2010, 10:58:31 PM »
...sigh... You can use CoP to find information around the creature. Therefore telling you about the creature. This takes a long time but you're a silly spellcaster with Genesis. If Mindblank blocks this then Mindblock blocks all possible Divinations ever.

Not going to argue any further then that. I've done this topic way to many times.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2010, 11:05:43 PM »
Just use Vecna-Blooded, it explicitly grants immunity to any divination effects pertaining to you.
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On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2010, 11:06:48 PM »
Just use Vecna-Blooded, it explicitly grants immunity to any divination effects pertaining to you.
Well, Vecna still knows stuff, so someone could always ask Vecna.  Perhaps by using some kind of ultra-specialized spell that allows you to contact deities and ask them questions.
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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2010, 11:19:00 PM »
"The subject is protected from all devices and spells that detect, influence, or read emotions or thoughts. This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells
This line in Foresight: "Once foresight is cast, you receive instantaneous warnings of impending danger or harm to the subject of the spell."  Is what screws up the interaction with the highlighted section from Mindblank.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2010, 11:41:43 PM »
Vecna's a god of secrets. I don't think he's on CoP contact list, 'cause I don't see him as being very open.

Besides, there's a small, flavor based argument I would like to use. Mainly that you can't get Vecna blooded without Vecna liking you.
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Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2010, 12:31:14 AM »
Vecna's a god of secrets. I don't think he's on CoP contact list, 'cause I don't see him as being very open.

Besides, there's a small, flavor based argument I would like to use. Mainly that you can't get Vecna blooded without Vecna liking you.
Contact Other Plane already pisses off deities. If their opinion mattered, you wouldn't be able to get anywhere because no deity would be able to stand the constant stream of interruptions. As it stands, a wizard who doesn't worship any gods and actively scorns them can still dial the hotline with an 88% chance of a correct answer the first time, while the world's most devoted Vecna cultist will still get an outright lie 9% of the time.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2010, 01:41:50 AM »
I'm afb at the moment, but I seem to remember the ability in question completely protected you from divinations.

Hmmm... I sense a story thread... What happens when deities get sick and tired of CoP...
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Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2010, 09:58:55 AM »
I'm afb at the moment, but I seem to remember the ability in question completely protected you from divinations.

Hmmm... I sense a story thread... What happens when deities get sick and tired of CoP...

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2010, 02:47:15 PM »
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What's the best antimage?

Dunno if we already had that, but I totally found it (quoting right from the DragMagCompendium p. 66):
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"Arcanopath Monk: Martial arts and a hatred of
Spellcasters combine to produce a killer feared and
hunted by wizards and sorcerers."

And, I mean, if they say so...
Maybe a little less "feared" and a little more "hunted", though.

Especially note the "Sundering Strike of Oblivion"!
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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2010, 03:11:32 PM »
a killer feared and hunted by wizards and forcerers."

Added confiftency to your old-ftyle fcript curfive fs.
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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2010, 03:19:29 PM »
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Added confiftency to your old-ftyle fcript curfive fs.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2010, 04:50:14 PM »
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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2010, 11:15:33 PM »
Amechra you've derailed your own thread! Ok well if we are going that route:

This line in Foresight: "Once foresight is cast, you receive instantaneous warnings of impending danger or harm to the subject of the spell."  Is what screws up the interaction with the highlighted section from Mindblank.
I agree

We've already done this several times.  Use the search function for "Anti-caster builds".
Nothing useful comes up:

#1: this thread = AWESOMELY USEFUL! ...
#2: no more magicmarts - restrictive gaming or responsible DM'ing? = irrelevant
#3: Anti-caster build ideas 3: Beating the Caster = great if you want to wade through way too much banter.
#4: Why don't wizards suck? = irrelevant
#5: List of things Rescued from Wiz Beaurocracy = again not helpful

a killer feared and hunted by wizards and forcerers."

Added confiftency to your old-ftyle fcript curfive fs.
Perhaps you misquoted. I don't see an f there, nor is there an edit

Homebrew allows things to be fixed fairly easy for the record...
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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2010, 11:24:30 PM »
Perhaps you misquoted. I don't see an f there, nor is there an edit
Look closer.

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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2010, 11:53:43 PM »
Look closer.
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The "#3" has the beft discuffionf in it.  This thread if literally becoming a repeat of that one.

EDIT: Fixed the grammar in thif one.
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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2010, 12:23:02 AM »
Isn't the best Antimage a Demilich?
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Re: What's the best antimage?
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2010, 12:29:17 AM »
Isn't the best Antimage a Demilich?
Ghost demilich.

Possible if, if you consider dracolich valid as a demilich lead-in.
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