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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2010, 05:16:19 PM »
whats the full current build?

also, in the OP there is a bit about "Make sure you've raised your CL to 40." what were we doing that with?
CL40 is from circle magic. I don't recall which class they are using but only 3 grant it.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2010, 05:23:23 PM »
whats the full current build?

also, in the OP there is a bit about "Make sure you've raised your CL to 40." what were we doing that with?
CL40 is from circle magic. I don't recall which class they are using but only 3 grant it.

Red Wizard of course, if nothing else for the free +2 CL from 5 levels worth of it, and potentially more if you used Earth Spell to Heighten it as well.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2010, 05:36:44 PM »
the more i look, the less fun this gets..

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Spells: Fimbulwinter

Metamagic: Fell Drain, Extend Spell, Flash Frost Spell, Energy Substitution (Cold), and Lord of the Uttercold

Metamagic Reducer: Arcane Thesis (Fimbulwinter).

Maximize Spell and Empower Spell are gained from Circle Magic

Fimbulwinter (8)+Fell Drain (+2-1-1)+Flash Frost Spell (+1-1)+Extend Spell (+1-1)+Lord of the Uttercold (+0)

Energy Substitution (Cold) is required for Lord of the Uttercold.

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For another, its cold is infused with the deadly embrace of the Negative Energy plane. Every six seconds, regardless of the actual conditions within the circle, everything takes 8 cold damage and 8 negative energy damage. And everything damaged gets dealt a negative level. Wights begin to rise within a day of the start of this storm.

Fimbulwinter, makes winter harsher, doesn't actually do damage. such as fell fireball vs fell summon monster

Metamagic:
Fell Drain, once the spell can do some damage of its own, i wont have a problem w/ this but for now i do.
Extend Spell, no worries, seems fine
Flash Frost Spell,  took me a second to find this, i wasnt looking at meta's.. so this makes the spell 0 + 2hp damage and enable fell.
Energy Substitution (Cold) enable flash frost spell
Lord of the Uttercold , turns 0 + 2 cold damage, into 0 + 1 cold + 1 negative damage.

Metamagic Reducer:

Arcane Thesis (Fimbulwinter). duh

Maximize Spell and Empower Spell are gained from Circle Magic

Fimbulwinter (8)+Fell Drain (+2-1-1)+Flash Frost Spell (+1-1)+Extend Spell (+1-1)+Lord of the Uttercold (+0) (where did the 8s come from? i only see 2 + fell. )

Energy Substitution (Cold) is required for Lord of the Uttercold.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2010, 05:52:31 PM »
Fimbulwinter is an 8th level spell, IIRC, thus the 8.

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2010, 05:53:24 PM »
The simplest way to pull this off is to have the following build, as I had in the OP.

Human Wizard (Transmuter, banning Evocation and Necromancy) 5/Red Wizard (Ban whatever you want) 5/Incantatrix (Banning Illusion) 5/Cleric 1/Dweomerkeeper 4

Feats:
1st: Tattoo Focus
Human: Widen Spell
Flaw: Chain Spell
Flaw: Spell Mastery (Retrain to include Fimbulwinter later)
B: Scribe Scroll
3rd: Fell Drain
5th: Energy Substution (Cold)
6th: Flash Frost Spell
9th: Lord of the Uttercold
10th: Transdimensional Spell
11th: Enlarge Spell
12th: Uncanny Forethought
15th: Metamagic School Focus (Transmutation)
15th: Piercing Cold
16th: Extend Spell (Bonus).
18th: Arcane Thesis (Fimbulwinter)

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Capabilities:

Casts Fimbulwinter as a standard action and a supernatural effect.

Any metamagic feat applied to a spell from the Transmutation school has its spell level adjustment reduced by 1. Metamagic can be applied for free. All metamagic applied to Fimbulwinter are at -2 spell level.

So, here are the stats of Fimbulwinter, with all metamagic possible, when cast at 20th level.

Supernatural Effect.
Duration of 100-144 weeks
Area of Effect: an 88-mile-radius circle
Effect on everyone inside: 8-10 feet of snow on the ground. Winds of 31+ mph. All creatures within take 8 cold damage, 8 negative energy damage, and one negative level per round. Cold damage goes through cold resistance, and is only reduced by half against cold immunity.
Hits Ethereal and Incorporeal creatures as well.
Spell level: 8 (or 20, for the lols)
Repeated 20 times per casting, with the center of each effect up to 88 miles away from the last one.

And you can make a scroll of this puppy.

Oh, and Altpersona? Fimbulwinter is already a cold subtype spell.
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Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2010, 05:53:50 PM »
what?

your saying its an 8th level spell so it does 8 points of damage? hows that work? what am i overlooking?
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2010, 05:56:39 PM »
what?

your saying its an 8th level spell so it does 8 points of damage? hows that work? what am i overlooking?
Flash frost is +2 cold per spell level, then half of that gets converted to negative energy by Lord of the Uttercold.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2010, 05:59:43 PM »
o.0, i did overlook that..

so its 16dmg, 8 and 8. k. carry on.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2010, 06:01:22 PM »
Kell, you are a wonderful person.

Now, what other spells would be helpful when used with the random roll for weather conditions? Are there any spells that add to generic d20 rolls? Because the 9 inches of snow/11+ mile per hour winds are only if you roll a 1-5.

I want to make this as horrible as possible.
Doesn't maximize and empower take care of this?

Your d20 roll to determine amount of snowfall and wind is maximized and empowered, no?
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2010, 06:01:54 PM »
what?

your saying its an 8th level spell so it does 8 points of damage? hows that work? what am i overlooking?
Flash frost is +2 cold per spell level, then half of that gets converted to negative energy by Lord of the Uttercold.
Yeah, I was talking about the spell levels, not the damage added, but that works too. :P

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2010, 06:04:31 PM »
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.

Of course, if you can scribe high level spells into a BBB before you take each PrC, you won't have much of a problem.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2010, 06:05:31 PM »
Kell, you are a wonderful person.

Now, what other spells would be helpful when used with the random roll for weather conditions? Are there any spells that add to generic d20 rolls? Because the 9 inches of snow/11+ mile per hour winds are only if you roll a 1-5.

I want to make this as horrible as possible.
Doesn't maximize and empower take care of this?

Your d20 roll to determine amount of snowfall and wind is maximized and empowered, no?

Thanks for the heads up. We caught that a while ago, though.

But with the empower, which we did miss out on, you can lapse on some of the extra stuff, like Frostfell (which was kind of a waste anyway.) or casting it in winter.

Now we can cast it in Autumn with no reduction! Wooo!


Your right, editing now.
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
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Sounds fine to me.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2010, 06:06:26 PM »
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Unless you are a gnome do you care about any schools other than Transmutation and Conjuration?
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2010, 06:09:39 PM »
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Unless you are a gnome do you care about any schools other than Transmutation and Conjuration?
Abjuration to get into Incantatrix?

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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2010, 06:12:06 PM »
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Unless you are a gnome do you care about any schools other than Transmutation and Conjuration?
Abjuration to get into Incantatrix?
So you drop Ench., Evoc., Ill., and Necro.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2010, 06:12:47 PM »
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Unless you are a gnome do you care about any schools other than Transmutation and Conjuration?
Not really, but you can get around it, anyway, to get the goodies. It requires some wealth squeeze, though. Take Craft Wonderous Item at level 3 instead of Fell Drain, craft a BBB. Once you have your BBB you can retrain CWI for Fell Drain and still qualify for Red Wizard. Spend all the wealth you can on good spells specifically from schools you are going to ban later (you'll definitely want Simulacrum for a Red Wizard before you ban it at Incantrix). Pick up any goodies you might want from the school you choose to ban at Red Wizard between levels 3 and 6.

This gets around the fact that you banned the school, since you already learned the spell and scribed it. Both Incantrix and Red Wizards have the provision that previously learned spells from newly banned schools can be cast regularly.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2010, 06:28:13 PM »
So... can a spell to power erudite do anything similar? They don't get any of the crazy metamagic goodies that really power the combo (unless you find some way to finagle magic mantle into there), but there's always linked power to negate the casting time...
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2010, 06:31:35 PM »
This gets around the fact that you banned the school, since you already learned the spell and scribed it. Both Incantrix and Red Wizards have the provision that previously learned spells from newly banned schools can be cast regularly.

The old Incantatrix said this, the new one seems to lack this line.  However, this works for the Red Wizard.
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Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2010, 06:43:40 PM »
This gets around the fact that you banned the school, since you already learned the spell and scribed it. Both Incantrix and Red Wizards have the provision that previously learned spells from newly banned schools can be cast regularly.

The old Incantatrix said this, the new one seems to lack this line.  However, this works for the Red Wizard.
hmph. interesting. i'd pick enchantment, then, at Incantrix.
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I could gate [a xixecal] in-
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