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Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« on: October 30, 2010, 10:55:23 PM »
Human, 2 flaws

Wizard 1 - Negotiator, Skill Focus [Perform], Energy Substitution [Cold], Practiced Spellcaster [Wizard], Martial Study [Douse the Flames]
Human Paragon 1
Dread Necromancer 1 - Practiced Spellcaster [Dread Necromancer]
Human Paragon 2 - Lord of the Uttercold
Human Paragon 3
Ultimate Magus 1 - Craft Wand
Ultimate Magus 2
Heartfire Fanner 1 - Song of the Heart
Ultimate Magus 3 - Residual Magic
Ultimate Magus 4
Ultimate Magus 5 - Fell Animate
Ultimate Magus 6 - Melodic Casting
Ultimate Magus 7
Ultimate Magus 8
Heartfire Fanner 2 - Requiem
Heartfire Fanner 3
Heartfire Fanner 4
Heartfire Fanner 5 - Song of the White Raven
Ultimate Magus 9 - Quicken Spell
Ultimate Magus 10

Wizard- Spells per Day as 18th-level Wizard, CL 24 (26 w/ Inspire Greatness)

Dread Necromancer- Spells per Day as 8th-level Dread Necromancer, CL 16

Bardic Music- Music as 10th-level Bard, 10 uses per day, Vest of Legends bonus, Inspire Courage +4, Inspire Greatness +3HD (3 targets), Suggestion traded for Song of the Heart, Heartfire Fanner goodies/brokenness.

Maneuvers- Douse the Flames once per encounter (not important), Leading the Charge gained via Crown of the White Ravens.

Badly needs Action Economy.  Given that I have a lot of good music abilities, Song of the White Raven only really makes Inspire Courage (the weakest of them all) practical to mix into a heavy spellcaster's routine.  To this end, pretty much everything except for Lord of the Uttercold, Negotiator, Skill Focus, and Residual Magic are expendable (granted, most of my feats have restrictions on what I can pick for them).

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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2010, 11:36:09 PM »
Badly needs Action Economy.  Given that I have a lot of good music abilities, Song of the White Raven only really makes Inspire Courage (the weakest of them all) practical to mix into a heavy spellcaster's routine.  To this end, pretty much everything except for Lord of the Uttercold, Negotiator, Skill Focus, and Residual Magic are expendable (granted, most of my feats have restrictions on what I can pick for them).

Tap-dancing Choker?
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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2010, 04:53:50 AM »
Badly needs Action Economy.  Given that I have a lot of good music abilities, Song of the White Raven only really makes Inspire Courage (the weakest of them all) practical to mix into a heavy spellcaster's routine.  To this end, pretty much everything except for Lord of the Uttercold, Negotiator, Skill Focus, and Residual Magic are expendable (granted, most of my feats have restrictions on what I can pick for them).

Tap-dancing Choker?

Meh, I can't alter self into a Choker without getting a template or messing with my race, and either of those options poses problems for the build.  Polymorph can do it, but at just 1 min per level I'd have to prebuff it every fight.  It seems like kinda a waste for something as high-spec as Polymorph.

I know there's a spell or item somewhere that will continuously carry a bardic music effect (probably a few, now that I think about it), but I don't remember where it is.  Maybe if I can get the feat and HD songs going continuously, I can use the metamagic and Courage songs as needed the rest of the time.  Speaking of, are any of these feats buyable (read, like visiting the Otyugh Hole to grab Iron Will)?
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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2010, 05:28:58 AM »
What about instead taking Martial Stance: Bolstering Voice?  Douse the Flames ain't important as you said, and Bolstering Voice helps.

What about entering Ultimate Magus as a Wiz5 with Spontaneous Divination?
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 05:38:37 AM »
What about instead taking Martial Stance: Bolstering Voice?  Douse the Flames ain't important as you said, and Bolstering Voice helps.
Because I don't have the requirements for that feat.  I'm a Wizard.

What about entering Ultimate Magus as a Wiz5 with Spontaneous Divination?
Because I'm trying to do something kinda creative instead of obnoxiously cheesy.

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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 10:38:33 AM »
Meh, I can't alter self into a Choker without getting a template or messing with my race, and either of those options poses problems for the build.  Polymorph can do it, but at just 1 min per level I'd have to prebuff it every fight.  It seems like kinda a waste for something as high-spec as Polymorph.

Meta-rod Extended Shapechange = 8 hours.
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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2010, 11:37:30 AM »
Rods of Metamagic Quicken go a LONG way to reducing that action economy issue.  They're expensive, but the lesser and medium rods work well.  Combine w/ a Belt of Battle (slotless, if you can swing it), and I think that practically you'll only have to really worry when dealing w/ a deity of some sort.

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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2010, 03:09:13 PM »
Use Freezing Fog to heal skeletons. 1d6 cold damage/round for Min/level. That's 240 rounds of roughly Fast Healing 2.
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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2010, 06:05:21 PM »
Alright, how about the Harmonize (or, preferably, Greater Harmonize) spells?  Can either of those be BSed onto my spell list around the same time I grab Melodic Casting?

Also, question still stands about getting more feats.  Extend and Persistent Spell would be very nice, especially for Greater Harmonize.  Getting a metamagic-reducer for Fell Animate would, too, so I could use that with Heartfire Fanner, albeit that one isn't vital.  Finally, grabbing Harmonize/Greater Harmonize might require feats themselves.
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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2010, 06:55:18 PM »
what about a harmonizing weapon

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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2010, 06:59:17 PM »
what about a harmonizing weapon

Source?

Found the Metamagic Storm.  That's good for at least 1 metamagic feat, and it looks like it probably stacks, although finding more than one is really heavily relying on DM fiat.  I'm not sure magic mart applies to magical locations.  If I manage a Harmonize effect (use-activated or continuous item for 32k, most likely), then I don't need Song of the White Ravens at all, and can ditch that completely.  I'll probably be a Silverbrow Human then, and grab Dragonfire Inspiration.  If the Harmonize item takes care of action economy, then I really don't have much need for Extend or Persistent to create effects that last all day.  I can get niche metamagic feats like that as any Metamagic Storms allow, instead.

EDIT: Nevermind, found it.  Not what I'm looking for, it doesn't maintain a song long enough, and it stops when I sing another one.
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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 01:05:30 AM »
Meh, I can't alter self into a Choker without getting a template or messing with my race, and either of those options poses problems for the build.  Polymorph can do it, but at just 1 min per level I'd have to prebuff it every fight.  It seems like kinda a waste for something as high-spec as Polymorph.

Meta-rod Extended Shapechange = 8 hours.
Combine with the Rainbow Falls magical location to get it to 24 hours. Of course... you should probably be a Chronotryn instead, if it is allowed. Two full round actions per turn is better than two standards, after all. :D
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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 01:25:20 AM »
Meh, I can't alter self into a Choker without getting a template or messing with my race, and either of those options poses problems for the build.  Polymorph can do it, but at just 1 min per level I'd have to prebuff it every fight.  It seems like kinda a waste for something as high-spec as Polymorph.

Meta-rod Extended Shapechange = 8 hours.
Combine with the Rainbow Falls magical location to get it to 24 hours. Of course... you should probably be a Chronotryn instead, if it is allowed. Two full round actions per turn is better than two standards, after all. :D
IMO 16 hours (doubling + tripling), but that's beside the point.

Shapechange is definitely one way to go, but I'd prefer something short of a 9th-level spell to be able to achieve the desired effect.  I think the Harmonize item would be the best way to go in this case, since that will allow me to do music as a move while using my standard and swift actions to cast.

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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 04:03:18 AM »
How'zbout getting Leading the Attack instead of Douse the Flames?
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Frostfire Assault Necromancer
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2010, 06:51:21 AM »
How'zbout getting Leading the Attack instead of Douse the Flames?
Doesn't stack with Inspire Courage.  Don't really need the feat anymore, either, since I'm not going to get Song of the White Ravens.