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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2010, 09:31:04 PM »
Actually, the non-core wizard does have a pretty powerful trick up his sleeve: Teleport through Time.

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2010, 09:36:56 PM »
Even terminator aside, that's at least Time Clones. :)
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2010, 09:43:02 PM »
Even terminator aside, that's at least Time Clones. :)
As long as they don't meet each other. Which is pretty easy for a wizard, after all.

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2010, 11:53:24 PM »
Of course, being in the past offers numerous opportunities for ambush.
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2010, 12:17:02 AM »
Of course, being in the past offers numerous opportunities for ambush.
Ambush by whom?

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2010, 12:18:24 AM »
Of course, being in the past offers numerous opportunities for ambush.
Ambush by whom?
Teleport through time leaves the time traveller unable to determine when they'll show up.  COP allows for accurate prediction from the past.

Also, you have to survive the first battle to time travel back.
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2010, 12:31:24 AM »
Of course, being in the past offers numerous opportunities for ambush.
Ambush by whom?
Teleport through time leaves the time traveller unable to determine when they'll show up.  COP allows for accurate prediction from the past.

Also, you have to survive the first battle to time travel back.
I was thinking more of a "kill them before they gain any magical power" scenario.

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2010, 12:41:13 AM »
The spell has several paragraphs that essentially make it into Power Word: DM fiat.
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2010, 01:41:17 AM »
Beyond that, though, the penalty for a mishap is easily remedied, you can get the untouched soil from your demiplane (I'm assuming Genesis is a non-core spell), and the temporal drift is negligible. But yeah, if your DM rules that killing the wizard's mother doesn't destroy him in the present or that killing him just leads to him being replaced by another wizard or something, then it's not going to be an effective means of assassination.

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2010, 02:08:40 AM »
Or the paradox of a successful mission could result in you being retroactively wiped from the timeline.
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2010, 02:15:31 AM »
There are things people do that don't carry the risk of retroactively wiping themselves from existence?  ???

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2010, 02:16:28 AM »
Core wizard can just go to a plane with reverse flowing time...

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2010, 02:18:55 AM »
Core wizard can just go to a plane with reverse flowing time...
Are there any? I don't remember a reverse-flowing time trait being mentioned, but it's possible I just failed my Spot check.

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2010, 07:30:59 AM »
Core wizard can just go to a plane with reverse flowing time...
Are there any? I don't remember a reverse-flowing time trait being mentioned, but it's possible I just failed my Spot check.
Limbo?
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2010, 10:26:25 AM »
Or the paradox of a successful mission could result in you being retroactively wiped from the timeline.

Just mail yourself a letter to your recent past self telling them when they have to go back to and who to kill, and to write another letter. That should close the time loop.
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2010, 04:13:35 PM »
Or the paradox of a successful mission could result in you being retroactively wiped from the timeline.

Just mail yourself a letter to your recent past self telling them when they have to go back to and who to kill, and to write another letter. That should close the time loop.
Still might result in your being wiped from the timeline if I understand correctly.
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2010, 04:30:07 PM »
Core wizard can just go to a plane with reverse flowing time...
Are there any? I don't remember a reverse-flowing time trait being mentioned, but it's possible I just failed my Spot check.
Limbo?
I don't think so. I can't find mention of it in the DMG, anyway.

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2010, 05:36:07 PM »
Core wizard can just go to a plane with reverse flowing time...
Are there any? I don't remember a reverse-flowing time trait being mentioned, but it's possible I just failed my Spot check.
Limbo?
I don't think so. I can't find mention of it in the DMG, anyway.

Yeah, I think I'm wrong, I just remembered playing in a game where we were in Limbo for a while, left it, and found out we were back in time. Just for the Lulz we caused a Paradox (to see what would happen). The campaign ended. It might just have been something the DM pulled out of his ass though.
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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2010, 08:04:44 PM »

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Re: Wizard vs Wizard!
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2010, 08:14:08 PM »
Couldn't the Non-Core Wizard use the old Hindsight+Flash frost spell+Snowcasting combo to kill the Core Wizard? Just turn his mother into a corpse and be done with it. No need to use Teleport through time to do that.

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