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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #840 on: November 17, 2010, 05:03:08 PM »
...should be ignored. 
Q 257: The Sugliin weapon from Frostburn states "this weapon is so unwieldy and heavy that making a single attack with it is a full-round action."

Charging is a special full-round action that allows you to move up to twice your speed and attack during the action.

Can someone without the Sugliin Mastery feat charge with a Sugliin, or does the extended attack time prevent this?
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I would say the latter.
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I agree with you, I'm just trying to find an actual rules mechanic way of proving it (your example about over-runs works nicely).  My DM had us in a gladiatorial tournament last night, with exotic weapons hidden in the ring.  He was allowing people (both PC's and NPC's) to charge and attack with the Sugliin.  I didn't argue, but I wanted rules to back me up when it comes up in my game (we alternate campaigns each week).
It actually seems to me that, if we work from specific-overrules-general, you can not only Charge with a sugliin, but you can actually full-attack with one as well, since the sugliin only changes the action needed to make a single attack.

Still a pretty crappy weapon, though...

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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #841 on: November 17, 2010, 06:13:08 PM »

It actually seems to me that, if we work from specific-overrules-general, you can not only Charge with a sugliin, but you can actually full-attack with one as well, since the sugliin only changes the action needed to make a single attack.

Still a pretty crappy weapon, though...
That's debatable within the text, and also quite obviously against what the writers were intending.

"The Sugliin Mastery feat (see page 50) allows a character to make attacks with this massive weapon normally."

That's from the weapon description.  It doesn't say that the feat allows you to make an attack (singular) normally (ie - as a standard action), it says attacks.  Thus, it indicates you cannot make multiple attacks with it (within one round, presumably) without said feat.  The text of the Sugliin Mastery feat expounds on this, explaining that attacking "normally" means single attack as a standard, or full attack as a full-round action.

I agree that the sugliin itself is generally an awkward and poor weapon, but it will be an interesting encounter for my PC's, as they face a half-stone giant (a mountain-raging goliath) who wields a nithing pole as a weapon (a pole with an elk head on it, ie - the sugliin), thus inciting vikings to attack him due to the insult.  A raging goliath with 26 strength dealing 3d8+12 damage will be... interesting.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #842 on: November 17, 2010, 06:34:22 PM »
Q263: Is it possible to elect not to apply the Shadowcraft Mage's silent illusion ability, or are you forced to apply it unless it directly conflicts with another class feature (as in the noted case with Bards)?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #843 on: November 17, 2010, 06:41:49 PM »
Q263: Is it possible to elect not to apply the Shadowcraft Mage's silent illusion ability, or are you forced to apply it unless it directly conflicts with another class feature (as in the noted case with Bards)?
I would say no, you are not forced to. 
It says that spells you cast "no longer require" a verbal component.  I take that as meaning you have a choice.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #844 on: November 17, 2010, 06:43:02 PM »
Q 264:  Can a rogue using the ACF where he gains fighter bonus feats instead of sneak attack dice regain his sneak attack progression by way of Daring Outlaw and another sneak attack source?

Rogue 3/swashbuckler 2/assassin 1/unseen seer 1/rogue +X grabbing Daring Outlaw at 9th level, for example.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #845 on: November 17, 2010, 06:51:59 PM »
Q 264:  Can a rogue using the ACF where he gains fighter bonus feats instead of sneak attack dice regain his sneak attack progression by way of Daring Outlaw and another sneak attack source?

Rogue 3/swashbuckler 2/assassin 1/unseen seer 1/rogue +X grabbing Daring Outlaw at 9th level, for example.
By RAW it appears you can.  Interesting.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #846 on: November 17, 2010, 07:03:32 PM »
Ignore people who are so ridiculously hung up over heavily-modded Mithral Chain Shirts.

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Anyway, I'm not a sorcerer expert.  If you say learning mage armor is definitely worthwhile even when you only know two spells and it only last one hour, I won't argue. 

I would appreciate it if, in the future, you restricted your criticisms to my ideas instead of saying I am ridiculous and should be ignored. 
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Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that what you presented was an overly-complicated contrivance.  I'm simply explaining the most likely thought process involved.  And when that thought process does get involved, it's a natural reaction to go "*sigh* not again; why does everybody always gotta .... ".  Hasty?  Yes.  Mean-spirited?  I doubt it.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #847 on: November 17, 2010, 07:07:37 PM »
Q 264:  Can a rogue using the ACF where he gains fighter bonus feats instead of sneak attack dice regain his sneak attack progression by way of Daring Outlaw and another sneak attack source?

Rogue 3/swashbuckler 2/assassin 1/unseen seer 1/rogue +X grabbing Daring Outlaw at 9th level, for example.
By RAW it appears you can.  Interesting.

RAW you don't have a sneak attack progression as a rogue at that point. At best, you could conceivably gain sneak attack based off your swashbuckler levels alone (0 + X = X), but stacking rogue and swashbuckler levels for the purposes of sneak attack is useless when your rogue levels don't give you sneak attack to begin with.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #848 on: November 17, 2010, 07:30:03 PM »
Q 264:  Can a rogue using the ACF where he gains fighter bonus feats instead of sneak attack dice regain his sneak attack progression by way of Daring Outlaw and another sneak attack source?

Rogue 3/swashbuckler 2/assassin 1/unseen seer 1/rogue +X grabbing Daring Outlaw at 9th level, for example.
By RAW it appears you can.  Interesting.

RAW you don't have a sneak attack progression as a rogue at that point. At best, you could conceivably gain sneak attack based off your swashbuckler levels alone (0 + X = X), but stacking rogue and swashbuckler levels for the purposes of sneak attack is useless when your rogue levels don't give you sneak attack to begin with.
So, would you gain the bonus feats instead?  :plot

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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #849 on: November 17, 2010, 07:40:15 PM »
Q 264:  Can a rogue using the ACF where he gains fighter bonus feats instead of sneak attack dice regain his sneak attack progression by way of Daring Outlaw and another sneak attack source?

Rogue 3/swashbuckler 2/assassin 1/unseen seer 1/rogue +X grabbing Daring Outlaw at 9th level, for example.
By RAW it appears you can.  Interesting.

RAW you don't have a sneak attack progression as a rogue at that point. At best, you could conceivably gain sneak attack based off your swashbuckler levels alone (0 + X = X), but stacking rogue and swashbuckler levels for the purposes of sneak attack is useless when your rogue levels don't give you sneak attack to begin with.
So, would you gain the bonus feats instead?  :plot
Or... what if you were had the 7th level rogue/4th level swashbuckler levels as listed in the example?  Would you gain +6d6 sneak attack damage as an 11th level rogue as per RAW?   :p
(assuming you had the Assassin1/Unseen Seer 1 levels for the prereq,  or had +2d6 sneak attack through Assassin's Stance)
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #850 on: November 17, 2010, 07:47:24 PM »
Q265:  If a Duskblade takes Precocious Apprentice, does the 2nd level spell they choose have to be from the Duskblade spell list?  The feat states:
Quote from: Comp Arc, pg 181
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #851 on: November 17, 2010, 08:20:07 PM »
Q265:  If a Duskblade takes Precocious Apprentice, does the 2nd level spell they choose have to be from the Duskblade spell list?  The feat states:
Quote from: Comp Arc, pg 181
Choose one 2nd-level spell from a school of magic you have access to.
Duskblades have access to most schools of magic.
As a general rule, you can't cast spells not on your spell list.  Precocious Apprentice doesn't overrule that.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #852 on: November 17, 2010, 08:25:16 PM »
Q256: How does the Blood Magus' ability to create potions in his blood and an Alchemical Savant's Brew Spellvial abilities interact?

Bump. Please answer, I need to know for a build.
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On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #853 on: November 17, 2010, 08:37:27 PM »
Q256: How does the Blood Magus' ability to create potions in his blood and an Alchemical Savant's Brew Spellvial abilities interact?

Bump. Please answer, I need to know for a build.
Hmm... Impractical.  I think you could, in theory, "brew" a Spellvial in your own blood, but you would need to bottle and throw it in the same round.  Since that's considered to be part of the same action for using a potion, then you could probably do this as part of the same action for using a spellvial.

So by RAW, it looks a little iffy, but I think it would actually work.  Definitely something to clear with your DM first.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #854 on: November 17, 2010, 08:44:24 PM »
Q256: How does the Blood Magus' ability to create potions in his blood and an Alchemical Savant's Brew Spellvial abilities interact?

Bump. Please answer, I need to know for a build.
Hmm... Impractical.  I think you could, in theory, "brew" a Spellvial in your own blood, but you would need to bottle and throw it in the same round.  Since that's considered to be part of the same action for using a potion, then you could probably do this as part of the same action for using a spellvial.

So by RAW, it looks a little iffy, but I think it would actually work.  Definitely something to clear with your DM first.

Well, I'm partially thinking of combining this with the "bind an alchemical item to a spellvial" ability the Alchemical Savant gets. More specifically, Trollbane as part of your blood; take that, Trolls! I'm gonna kill you with my blood.

Thanks.
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Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #855 on: November 17, 2010, 08:58:02 PM »
Q 266: If I alter self into myself after casting both draconic polymorph and giant size, do I return to normal size as well?  If so, by RAW of alter self, I'd keep the massive Str boosts from both spells, which is the aim here.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #856 on: November 17, 2010, 09:12:17 PM »
Q 266: If I alter self into myself after casting both draconic polymorph and giant size, do I return to normal size as well?  If so, by RAW of alter self, I'd keep the massive Str boosts from both spells, which is the aim here.
If you can alter self back into yourself after casting Giant Size, then I'd say yes.  You might be too big to alter self back into yourself, depending on how you interpret alter self's wording on size changes.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #857 on: November 17, 2010, 09:24:53 PM »
Q 267 Anyone know where I can find a Savage Species progression for a nymph?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #858 on: November 17, 2010, 09:35:30 PM »
Q 266: If I alter self into myself after casting both draconic polymorph and giant size, do I return to normal size as well?  If so, by RAW of alter self, I'd keep the massive Str boosts from both spells, which is the aim here.

You can't. You're not within one size category of your normal size.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question part 19: Titan-Bloodline Pixie Ubercharger edition
« Reply #859 on: November 17, 2010, 09:39:47 PM »
Q 267 Anyone know where I can find a Savage Species progression for a nymph?
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