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Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« on: October 21, 2010, 08:16:52 PM »
No psi class does; excepting the use of Psychic Reformation.
Psy Ref can be used on anybody, so it kinda helps almost everyone.

Cleric gets all normal Cleric spells.
Druid gets all normal Druid spells.

Wizards don't get all normal Wizard spells.
Sorcs really don't get all normal Sorc spells.

etc ...
What else?

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 08:19:57 PM »
Warmage, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer. Special mention goes to Rainbow Servant of course, for giving them access to the entire cleric list.
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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 08:35:40 PM »
Would you count spirit shaman? 

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 09:22:39 PM »
Warmages, Beguilers, and Dread Necromancers can also get access to the entire Cleric list or the entire Druid list through sovereign archetypes.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 09:26:29 PM »
Sha'irs from Dragon Compendium have the entire sorc/wiz list.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 09:40:04 PM »
No psi class does; excepting the use of Psychic Reformation.
Psy Ref can be used on anybody, so it kinda helps almost everyone.

Cleric gets all normal Cleric spells.
Druid gets all normal Druid spells.

Wizards don't get all normal Wizard spells.
Sorcs really don't get all normal Sorc spells.

etc ...
What else?


if you count domain spells as cleric spells you can't really say each one has access to all

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 10:04:52 PM »
if you count domain spells as cleric spells you can't really say each one has access to all

Clerics have access to all cleric spells. Domain spells are not on the cleric spell list; they're additional spells that a cleric can gain the ability to cast through their class-granted domains. I see where you're coming from, but it's wrong.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 10:42:05 PM »
Factotums get access to all Sorc/Wizard spells 7th level or less. If you include PrCs then I think the Chameleon gets all Cleric spells (as well as the Ur-Priest).

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 11:13:08 PM »
Chameleons get access to All Arcane or Divine up to 6th lvl from any List

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 11:27:18 PM »
With shenanigans Chameleons can get any Arcane or Divine spells upto 9th level from any list.
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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 11:31:49 PM »
Factotums and chameleons use spellbooks, though. From the fact that wizards were mentioned in the OP as not having their whole list, I would assume the OP's question is which classes automatically access their full list rather than classes which can theoretically get every spell if they buy scrolls of all of them.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 12:37:09 AM »
Factotums and chameleons use spellbooks, though. From the fact that wizards were mentioned in the OP as not having their whole list, I would assume the OP's question is which classes automatically access their full list rather than classes which can theoretically get every spell if they buy scrolls of all of them.

Factotums don't use spellbooks, chameleons only need spellbooks for their arcane spells, not their divine.

With shenanigans Chameleons can get any Arcane or Divine spells upto 9th level from any list.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 12:40:05 AM »
Factotums and chameleons use spellbooks, though. From the fact that wizards were mentioned in the OP as not having their whole list, I would assume the OP's question is which classes automatically access their full list rather than classes which can theoretically get every spell if they buy scrolls of all of them.

Factotum's do not use spellbooks, they know all sorcerer wizard spells. And chameleon can access all arcane spells with use of extra spell in their floating feat. The chameleon knows all divine spells.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 12:47:43 AM »
Artificers know all the infusions on the Artificer list. Plus, they can make magic items from anyone's list.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 12:57:24 AM »
I already have a thread for this

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2010, 01:04:02 AM »
Factotum's do not use spellbooks, they know all sorcerer wizard spells. And chameleon can access all arcane spells with use of extra spell in their floating feat. The chameleon knows all divine spells.

You're right about factotums; I have no idea why I brainfarted on that one.

The floating Extra Spell trick is nice but doesn't quite equate to full-list access; the chameleon is still restricted to spells known for arcane spells, even though he has a much more convenient way of expanding spells known than most classes with spells known.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2010, 03:47:46 AM »
The Eldrich Master PrC from Dragon 280 is similar to the rainbow savant in that it grants access to another spell list.  It grants no spell casting progression, but at level 3 (every 3) it gives you a spell slot one level higher than you can cast and at level 4 (every 4) grants you access to another classes spell list.  Note, it does not add this spells to just one class, it just lets you pick up spells from the list regardless of what classes you are taking.  Also all of these spells are cast as arcane spells, so

Beguiler 16/ Eldrich Master 4: Beguiler spells + one other list.  9th level max.
  Same as above for Warmage and Dreadnecro (and you can still prestige)

Savage Bard 4/1 x/Ur-priest 2/Eldrich master 4/Mystic Theurge 4:  All Cleric + one other list. 9th level max
Note, I think it is funny to double advance Ur-priest with mystic theurge since it is now a divine and arcane spell caster.  If you go this route, you can take another 4 levels of Eldrich master to pick up a 10th level spell slot at level 6 and another spell list at level 8.

An archvist is better, but these builds dont need books, and the first one does not even need to prepare spells.  My favorite though, but not all knowing is:

Bard 4/ Cleric 1/ Eldrich Master 4/ Dweomerkeeper 1/ Sublime Chord 1/ Dweomerkeeper 9

You can cast from the Bard/Sorc/Cleric (thanks to Eldrich Master) from your sublime chord levels.  Plus is is divine metamagic ready (alternative sourced spell), supernatural spells are go, and allows you to pick up Miracle as one of your 9th level spells to copy just about everything you might be missing.

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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2010, 08:34:12 AM »
Double advancing doesn't really fly.  The wording on Mystic Theurge isn't permissive enough.
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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2010, 10:02:31 AM »
Would you count spirit shaman? 
I'd say yeah.  It's just an odd combination of spontaneous and prepared casting, and you draw from the entire list.
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Re: Which classes have access to their entire Spell list ?
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2010, 06:09:01 PM »
Oh, sorry PLZ ... crossposting does help la memory tactics though.


So ... so long as one or more of these classes are around,
you have access to all those spells in one way or another.

Then you throw in Psychic Reformation,
combined with a method for keeping all those spells available somehow.
Wizard's spellbook is the obvious example.
Erudite's Repertoire is similar.