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Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« on: October 08, 2010, 01:27:48 PM »
So while in the midst of my ultimate psionic cheese build I began to wonder about the Fusion power and how to best apply it with the Leadership feat. The idea is to have a playable race (preferably no level adjustment) do as much as it can with Int for the mind power crazyness and then to have the cohort be Fusion..able and have as high a strength, or other physical stats, as possible. And ideas on good combinations? Or would it just be best to cheese out Strength of my Enemy on something with a retardedly high str score?

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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 01:51:14 PM »
Appreciate the link but GM has already said no the the cohort loop.

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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2010, 01:57:12 PM »
Even without loops, Thrallherd gives you two cohorts and many followers.  =D
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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2010, 01:59:30 PM »
Also, sadly, only one body fused at a time. So it's either find the one best cohort or fine a creature that I can suck 36 Str off of.

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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2010, 02:01:38 PM »

While I will have to re-read it you should be able to fuse with enough of your minions to get all of your stats up to respectable levels as well as netting you some nice feats. If later on in the game you don't want those feats shank a cohort or follower and get a new one with the new feat you want in just 1 day. Hell if you have some extended down time get all of your low level minions together and have them run off a cliff like lemmings just for entertainment value.

nevermind your last post killed that idea of multiple fusions. But you can still have lemmings!
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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2010, 04:36:20 PM »
Also, sadly, only one body fused at a time. So it's either find the one best cohort or fine a creature that I can suck 36 Str off of.
1) Get a thrall that can cast Simulacrum (ideally as a SLA, but even still... you can drain their XP dry and replace them later...). (And before TML gets here: I heard Mirror Mephits make cool familiars.)

2) Fuse with some badassed creature. It can be your 2nd thrall, or just something you've bribed/dominated/etc. You can use Metamorphosis to change your type to match, so having the same type as you isn't really a restriction.

3) Have your thrall create a simulacrum of the fused being.

4) The simulacrum of the fused being (which we'll call SFB from now on) can either manifest Fusion itself, or at least use a Power Stone of Fusion. (Depending on what level you were when this was done.)

5) Get another big, uber monster whose abilities and/or attributes you want to steal.

6) Have the FSB manifest fusion on it.

7) Have your thrall create a simulacrum of the resulting fused being (which we'll call FSB2).

8) FSB2 now has all of the abilities of the first two creatures you fused with, and is still a manifester (albeit probably a weak one).

9) Repeat until you have your uber-simulacrum that you want to fuse with in the end. Note that at any point you can actually fuse with the FSB to boost its manifester level back up to half of yours again.

10 Realize that you can gain nearly every power in the entire game with this combination.

11) Dodge dice and DMGs hurled at your head when you try this in-game. :D
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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2010, 05:48:29 PM »
Ha! I love it, except for the last part of course. Still looking for that something that lets me do this and still be allowed to play the character, or even play in the game from that point on, ha. So far it's just looking like Fusing for a ML of 30 and then using Strength of my enemy to get a +33 enhancement bonus to my strength. Thanks for the input thought guys.

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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2010, 06:25:32 PM »
I generally find that metamorphosis is better than fusion. However, nothing says you can't use polymorph any object on your psicrystal/familiar/thing to turn it into something insane before using fusion on it.

I did that when I summoned a cerebrilith and fused with it (and had my psicrystal do the same, since I gave it the Otherworldly feat) so my psicrystal could get a friggin' ton of extra hp for my TBGIWM build.
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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2010, 07:37:26 PM »
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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2010, 03:45:58 AM »
Also, sadly, only one body fused at a time. So it's either find the one best cohort or fine a creature that I can suck 36 Str off of.
1) Get a thrall that can cast Simulacrum (ideally as a SLA, but even still... you can drain their XP dry and replace them later...). (And before TML gets here: I heard Mirror Mephits make cool familiars.)

2) Fuse with some badassed creature. It can be your 2nd thrall, or just something you've bribed/dominated/etc. You can use Metamorphosis to change your type to match, so having the same type as you isn't really a restriction.

3) Have your thrall create a simulacrum of the fused being.

4) The simulacrum of the fused being (which we'll call SFB from now on) can either manifest Fusion itself, or at least use a Power Stone of Fusion. (Depending on what level you were when this was done.)

5) Get another big, uber monster whose abilities and/or attributes you want to steal.

6) Have the FSB manifest fusion on it.

7) Have your thrall create a simulacrum of the resulting fused being (which we'll call FSB2).

8) FSB2 now has all of the abilities of the first two creatures you fused with, and is still a manifester (albeit probably a weak one).

9) Repeat until you have your uber-simulacrum that you want to fuse with in the end. Note that at any point you can actually fuse with the FSB to boost its manifester level back up to half of yours again.

10 Realize that you can gain nearly every power in the entire game with this combination.

11) Dodge dice and DMGs hurled at your head when you try this in-game. :D

Even better...assuming you are a high enough level.



Step 1: Astral Seed yourself while in fused form

Step 2: Put your XP into a thought bottle and place it near astral seed (you probably want to create your own demiplane (since youre likely a shaper) to store it in. Hell, you can even give it the accelerated time trait so this will all happen pretty much instantly.

Step 3: Kill yourself.

Step 4: You're astral seed revives you at 1 level lower, you take the thought bottle and regain your level.

Step 5: Repeat.


This is only superior to Phaedrus' tactic when assimilating cohorts/npcs since you wouldn't want to simulacrum them and get only half their levels.

Theoretically since you are an entirely new being that no longer relies on the fusion power to maintain yourself. Your cohort/thrall no longer exists and you should be able to attract a new thrall/cohort and basically have 17 levels in every class combination possible. Not to mention every monster ability if you do the simulacrum as well.


...why didn't I do this with Azrael you ask?...because its stupid...its basically another pun-pun.


EDIT: Its also debatable whether or not you could fuse with a simulacrum at all since its essentially an illusion and not a real, living, creature. Honestly, if you could, you might be better off having a dweomerkeeper as a cohort/thrall and using him to make ice assassins to fuse with.

DOUBLE EDIT: Also remember, if you want your fusion to last long enough to really do something with it you (or a cohort/thrall) has to be a metamind. Honestly, if you don't want to get too ridiculous with it just be a StP Erudite Metamind with a Initiate of the Seven Fold Veil cohort (that's what Azrael was originally). You're pretty well protected with your veils and a spell aimed AMF around you 24/7. Work the action economy properly with contingencies (including crafted ones), foresight/sense danger (psionic power MoE), eyes of the oracle, magic affiliation, etc and you are virtually invulnerable.
 
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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2010, 01:04:35 PM »
Step 2: Put your XP into a thought bottle and place it near astral seed (you probably want to create your own demiplane (since youre likely a shaper) to store it in. Hell, you can even give it the accelerated time trait so this will all happen pretty much instantly.
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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2010, 01:33:55 PM »
Well Azreal, I was planning to go meta-mind but a game shaper instead of a game breaker. So just plane psion/metamind. Looking to somehow get huge skill points and huge stats off of one fuse and hold it, along with the nine-million other things I would be holding. So it seems it's either a factotum cohort for tons of skill points or a warhulk for strength out the damn.

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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2010, 06:33:03 PM »
Metamind kind of... sucks. You lose too much manifesting in exchange for too little.
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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2010, 06:36:25 PM »
Psi Genesis is inferior to Arc/Div Genesis. Too bad.

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Re: Fusion Insanity. Or, How I stopped worrying and max Int and Str
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2010, 01:02:35 AM »
if one doesn't mind borrowing from various sources... i once used the half-ogre template and half minotaur template (from dragon mag, not savage species) combined with a half giant or goliath to get a character who's ecl is from +1 to +4 depending on the order in which the templates are applied and dm squeemishness. something like +20 to str and +8 to con with some other fun abilities. i'll have to look up the exact mix.
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