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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2010, 12:09:55 AM »
I'm going to go in a slightly different direction

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2010, 12:13:18 AM »
With no feats to spare, it looks like...  Still, nice.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2010, 01:36:39 AM »
The vast majority of DMs I play with don't allow Reach Spell to apply to Personal Range spells.  And it does allow for some serious cheese, so I don't mind ignoring it.  The familiar trick is nice, though, no doubt.

But it becomes a "touch" spell when you reach level 10...thus making it qualify for reach spell :) Either way you could just touch them...or use spectral hand or something.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2010, 10:24:47 AM »
Formally, the spell still doesn't become a touch spell, even then (the class ability lets you cast them at touch, but the spell still isn't touch).  I know, semantics.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2010, 10:47:17 AM »
Formally, the spell still doesn't become a touch spell, even then (the class ability lets you cast them at touch, but the spell still isn't touch).  I know, semantics.

Occular spell fixes that

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2010, 11:35:38 AM »
Only in 1 out of 3 real games.  This isn't about that, though.  What offensive tricks are out there for an abjurer, other than to play it as a non-abjurer?

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2010, 07:12:44 PM »
mostly the same tricks as a non abjurer.  you just wont be as specialized in them.  you arent banning conjuration so you have summon monsters to use for offense,  you can always take improved framiliar for a Framiliar that works more like an Animal companion, and i believe you still have evacation as a spell you havent banned so you can play as an blaster if you wanted. 

The Difference is while you are not specializing in these areas you will still be good at them, but your partys Defenses will be much better than if you specialized in one of them.  Conjuration also has some good battlefield control spells so you will have that going for you. 

Abjurers arent solely Defense they just specialize in it so your other spell selection should take that into account.


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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2010, 07:50:17 PM »
The only way to make this type of build work is to play it as non-abjuration.   :(

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2010, 07:51:32 PM »
Explosive runes is abjuration.  So is Zap Trap.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2010, 09:13:45 PM »
Actually, the shtick that would work best would probably be throwing down various glyph/symbol/etc trap-style spells and then using Baleful Transposition to teleport your enemies on top of them.

That actually sounds like insane amounts of fun.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2010, 09:50:53 PM »
I like that as well.

So, one could build a "concept" caster that basically builds up a few rounds then has one explosive round.  I'm not sure how effective it would be though.

Either Explosive Runes / Symbols / etc followed by baleful transposition or curses / penalties followed by Reciprocating Gyre.  Something else, maybe?

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2010, 12:50:24 PM »
The most offensive one would probably be built using a different game system

Like FATAL.
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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2010, 09:57:10 PM »
Remember, explosive runes is permanent.  The look on your DM's face may be priceless when you announce you're doing 96d6 per explosive runes/amanuensis (Spell Compendium) grenade.

My DM said that using said items would vaporize the experience and treasure.
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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2010, 10:28:27 PM »
Yeah, but I don't see that many shenanigans besides the normal Explosive Runes bomb (which no DM really lets fly).  Whats the normal use of Explosive Runes in combat, excluding Amunuesis?  Even that silly GitP Wizard uses it purely defensively.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2010, 03:48:43 AM »
Vaarsuvius, or however it's name is spelled.  I do rather agree with that assessment of the spell.  It's a more of a punchline than anything else.

That said, the glee using baleful transposition in order to teleport your tanks next to squshy opponents and squshy opponents next to your damage dealers can become even better if you throw down a Ghoul Glyph or similar spell at your fighter's feet before doing so.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2010, 10:40:45 AM »
So, use a Necromancy spell in front of a Conjuration spell?

Damn.

(OK, I was just being cynical)

So, I seem to have reached the conclusion that it just isn't worth specializing in Abjuration.  Ever.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2010, 04:11:19 PM »
So, use a Necromancy spell in front of a Conjuration spell?

Damn.

(OK, I was just being cynical)

So, I seem to have reached the conclusion that it just isn't worth specializing in Abjuration.  Ever.



okay and why do you say that?
ive played several Abjuration specialist and they are always enjoyable to me.  i just didnt expect to be dealing tons of damage via spells with them.

well at least until late in the game when 9th level spells are reached.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2010, 05:19:47 PM »
Oh, now I've got it!  Glyph of Warding, provided to you by your friendly, neighborhood Geometer dip!  They're like Explosive Runes but don't have to be read, and aren't stackable.

If memory serves, there was another feat/spell/something that increased the damage of a Glyph of Warding to the point of making Greater Glyphs rather pointless.

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Re: Most offensive Abjurer / Master Specialist / Iot7V build?
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2010, 05:28:31 PM »
okay and why do you say that?
ive played several Abjuration specialist and they are always enjoyable to me.  i just didnt expect to be dealing tons of damage via spells with them.

well at least until late in the game when 9th level spells are reached.
Yeah, maybe I miswrote that.  The title of this thread is "Most offensive...", and it can't really be done w/ Abjuration spells, which was my point.  When I specialize, I like to know that its going to be in a school that is decent for "getting things done".  Conjuration, Transmutation, Illusion, Necromancy, Enchantment all have that, but I'm definitely not getting that feeling from Abjuration.


Geometer?  Hrm... except for the 10 min casting time and gold...  Could see some abuse...
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