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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2010, 02:04:52 PM »
Souldrinking Weapon from BoVD is another source of negative levels. It bestows these on critical hits, though. I'm not sure at the moment wether creatures which are not subject to critical hits, like undead, are also immune to secondary effects of critical hits.
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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2010, 02:26:07 PM »
What happens if a Wight holds more Holy Arrows than it has hit dice? Let us assume it holds them in a locked gauntlet so that they remain in its hand even after it dies (and rises again). Infinite loop of pain, I think?
So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2010, 03:34:13 PM »
will try to post an idea later

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2010, 03:38:20 PM »
Levels in Truenamer?

Edit:
You could make a case for a Sharn Wizard 11 being worse than a Human Wizard 20 because, while the sharn has two casting progressions, neither of them gets seventh- through ninth-level spells and the human does.

Three spell progressions, actually. Sorcerer, Favored Soul and Wizard.
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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2010, 03:40:36 PM »
Do I see you besmirching the honor of the Truenamer? Prepare to die, unbeliever!

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2010, 04:11:55 PM »
What Solo said. I'm just slightly more serious  :p
Although the poor Sharn can't use the Polymorph into Garbler Trick, so he has a significant disadvantage there.
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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2010, 05:46:06 PM »
We just get Ao to do the sharn like a $2 prostitute, then turn them out aftewards.  Ruined.

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2010, 07:37:54 PM »
Negative levels, while fatal, isn't exactly deoptimizing the race. Just killing it. Plenty of things can kill a Sharn.

I think the better aim would be to try to generate a Sharn that is reliably worse in game (i.e. less utility, combat prowess, skill, etc.) than, lets say, Human CW Samurai 20. That's a serious challenge.
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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2010, 08:02:18 PM »
try this:

Sharn Wizard 1/ Sorceror 1/ Favored Soul 1/ Cleric 1/ Rogue 1/ Survivor 5/ Warhulk 1

Str +8, Dex +10, Con +10, Int +8, Wis +8, Cha +10

18 Str(8 +8 Racial +2 Warhulk)
18 Dex(8 +10 Racial)
18 Con(8 +10 Racial)
16 Int(8 +8 Racial)
24 Wis(18 +8 racial)
31 Cha(18 +10 racial +3 lvl)


Flaws:
Feeble
Weak Willed

Traits:
Passionate
Dishonest

Feats:
Sacred Vow(Flaw Feat)
Vow of Nonviolence(Flaw Feat)
Alertness(Sharn bonus)
Multiattack(Sharn bonus)
Multiweapon Fighting(Sharn bonus)
Blind Fight
Cleave
Vow of peace
Mageslayer
Pierce Magical Concealment
Pierce Magical Protection


BAB +3

Caster lvl -12 to all caster levels, including Spell-like abilities, most of his caster levels start at 1st lvl

Put all skills into Int or Wis or Cha skills ....... then:
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cant even fight ..... Vow of Nonviolence and Vow of Peace ..... and BAB +3 @ ECL 20

how bad is that  :P


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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2010, 08:12:58 PM »
I think Peasant Hat and Pig Bond are a good place to start. (Dragon Magazine 330 p 87)

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2010, 08:51:25 PM »
Feats:
Sacred Vow(Flaw Feat)
Vow of Nonviolence(Flaw Feat)
Alertness(Sharn bonus)
Multiattack(Sharn bonus)
Multiweapon Fighting(Sharn bonus)
Blind Fight
Cleave
Vow of peace
Magebane
Pierce Magical Concealment
Pierce Magical Protection

You need to take Mage Slayer before the Pierce Magical <foo> feats(maybe you meant Magebane to be Mage Slayer?).

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2010, 09:06:36 PM »
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Sharn 9/Swashbuckler 1/Honorable Dread Pirate 10

All stat points to Cha, but no Leadership feats - all cohorts are 1st level henchmen

Mage Slayer feat tree, so no racial spells

Items: Robe of Powerlessness for a Str/Int of 6 each.
-Noncombatant
Armor of Arrow Attraction(+3 Full Plate) to not be able to fly and lower base speed and reduce Dex to AC to 0. The Slow flaw is also taken to be a sitting duck (-15 AC vs ranged attacks including ranged touch attacks). He also has a Lodestone to half his speed yet again.
-2 dagger (cursed)
-Helm of Opposite Alignment (for the lulz...he's an HONORABLE Dread Pirate, and a Good-aligned Sharn.)
-Ring of Climsiness (-4 Dexterity)
-permanently purple from a rod of wonder

All other money is spent on pimping out his ship to make it as lucrative a target as possible. It will be loaded up to it's maximum capacity so that a single person boarding it beyond the crew will cause it to start sinking. As much of the ship itself will be solid gold as possible until this weight is met.
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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2010, 07:35:59 AM »
Feats:
Sacred Vow(Flaw Feat)
Vow of Nonviolence(Flaw Feat)
Alertness(Sharn bonus)
Multiattack(Sharn bonus)
Multiweapon Fighting(Sharn bonus)
Blind Fight
Cleave
Vow of peace
Magebane
Pierce Magical Concealment
Pierce Magical Protection

You need to take Mage Slayer before the Pierce Magical <foo> feats(maybe you meant Magebane to be Mage Slayer?).

yes you are correct ... i misspelled , meant Mageslayer ... will correct

thanks

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2010, 10:27:14 PM »
Try this ... build the Sharn halfway decent to ecl 11.
Then go on a PHB2 Racial Rebuilding quest, and win it.
Rebuild 3 racial levels of Sharn into Humanoid (or similar).
Repeat until just the first racial level of Sharn is left.

Effectively now Sharn 1 / wimpy Racial X / Class(-es) Y that might not even work anymore.
Furthermore, you can Rebuild classes in the same way , that they don't work anymore too.
Normally you wouldn't even dream of doing this.
Problem ... you might reach a point of sucking so much, you can't do this anymore at all.
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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2010, 02:15:14 PM »
Darb the Cursed (or Darb the Foolish)

Sharn 9/Swashbuckler 1/Honorable Dread Pirate 10

All stat points to Cha, but no Leadership feats - all cohorts are 1st level henchmen

Mage Slayer feat tree, so no racial spells

Items: Robe of Powerlessness for a Str/Int of 6 each.
-Noncombatant
Armor of Arrow Attraction(+3 Full Plate) to not be able to fly and lower base speed and reduce Dex to AC to 0. The Slow flaw is also taken to be a sitting duck (-15 AC vs ranged attacks including ranged touch attacks). He also has a Lodestone to half his speed yet again.
-2 dagger (cursed)
-Helm of Opposite Alignment (for the lulz...he's an HONORABLE Dread Pirate, and a Good-aligned Sharn.)
-Ring of Climsiness (-4 Dexterity)
-permanently purple from a rod of wonder

All other money is spent on pimping out his ship to make it as lucrative a target as possible. It will be loaded up to it's maximum capacity so that a single person boarding it beyond the crew will cause it to start sinking. As much of the ship itself will be solid gold as possible until this weight is met.
Wow... I nearly pissed myself laughing at the imagery there: a purple multi tentacled being groaning under the weight of armor, desperately covering his head as he sucks arrows toward him, tripping and falling, causing his solid gold boat to sink... but he's a good guy. :P

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2010, 06:49:29 AM »
ok, this MIGHT be thread stealing, but it's related i would think.

can a sharn have the ghost template applied?

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2010, 03:01:32 PM »
ok, this MIGHT be thread stealing, but it's related i would think.

can a sharn have the ghost template applied?

I'm pretty sure they can; aberrations can take the ghost template, so. Pretty huge LA, although since you're already curbstomping the game as a Sharn I don't know how it'll work out in play.
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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2010, 03:04:22 PM »
Sharn 9/forsaker 1/hulking hurler 9/ghost progression 1

You can't do anything physical.

You can't do anything magical.

You can't make any skill checks to speak of.

You suck.
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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2010, 05:04:51 PM »
Can you Intimidate the Ghost of a Squirrel ?

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Re: Unoptimization: Can you ruin the sharn?
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2010, 05:29:25 PM »
Sharn 9/forsaker 1/hulking hurler 9/ghost progression 1

You can't do anything physical.

You can't do anything magical.

You can't make any skill checks to speak of.

You suck.
Actually, you can do physical stuff on the etheral plane.
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