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Re: Simple Q&A #17 -- the "your mama's so ___ ... " edition
« Reply #380 on: September 21, 2010, 12:48:41 AM »
Do you already have the spells on your list?
Mostly just wondering in general for arcane users like wizards, sorcerers, beguilers, duskblades, etc.
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Re: Simple Q&A #17 -- the "your mama's so ___ ... " edition
« Reply #381 on: September 21, 2010, 12:49:21 AM »
Do you already have the spells on your list?
Mostly just wondering in general for arcane users like wizards, sorcerers, beguilers, duskblades, etc.
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Re: Simple Q&A #17 -- the "your mama's so ___ ... " edition
« Reply #382 on: September 21, 2010, 12:56:45 AM »
Q 202 Doesn't Planar Touchstone require you to actually visit the site and get a hunk of something valuable from there? And to use it you have to have at least 8 ranks in Know (planes). I seriously doubt it's just as easy as taking the feat..., so how is it so abusable?

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« Reply #383 on: September 21, 2010, 01:21:50 AM »
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Besides the small tables in the PHB, is there anywhere else with break DC tables?
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Re: Simple Q&A #17 -- the "your mama's so ___ ... " edition
« Reply #384 on: September 21, 2010, 01:24:07 AM »
Q 202 Doesn't Planar Touchstone require you to actually visit the site and get a hunk of something valuable from there? And to use it you have to have at least 8 ranks in Know (planes). I seriously doubt it's just as easy as taking the feat..., so how is it so abusable?
A 202 Taking the feat gets you two benefits: a minor, always-on ability and a major, limited-use ability.

Taking the feat and "attuning" yourself to a location gets you the minor ability.  This requires an object from that site worth 250gp and 10 XP.  You never have to go there to get it yourself for this minor ability; in fact, it could be argued that the item (potentially very small) is worth that much precisely because someone went and got it for you.  After you've paid this cost once, you never have to pay it again (unless you take the feat another time).  If want to change the location you're attuned to, all you have to do is visit that place and complete the recharge requirements.  It's the major ability that requires you to visit a particular touchstone, as well as recharging that ability.

In the case of multiple-purpose touchstones like the Catalogs of Enlightenment, which grants you a domain power as the minor and access to domain spells as the major, the character could change that domain every time he visits the Catalogs to complete the recharge requirements.
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Re: Simple Q&A #17 -- the "your mama's so ___ ... " edition
« Reply #385 on: September 21, 2010, 01:42:26 AM »
In addition to what Vicerious said, the Catalogs of Enlightenment major ability lets you cast three spells from a cleric domain as if you'd prepared them. Presumably you could add those spells to your spellbook, as you can any spells you've prepared. You also need a Wisdom high enough to actually cast them, as with Arcane Disciple, but instead of one feat per domain this is one feat for all domains, assuming you have the time to redo the recharge requirements (it's paperwork, and it takes weeks for each time).

Even without this craziness, that feat is amazing. Just the minor ability of adding the special function of any domain is awesome (Kobold domain for trapfinding, Baator for seeing in any darkness, etc), and that's just one planar touchstone! Once you've got the feat, you can attune any touchstone you want just by visiting it and completing the "test".
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« Reply #386 on: September 21, 2010, 02:42:51 AM »
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are there any 5 level or less prestige classes which a lvl5 sorcerer can enter without any of the common cheese?
and if yes, where can i find them?

A99 Ruethar from Races of the Wild, can also be entered at level 6 by using the skill ranks requirement.
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« Reply #387 on: September 21, 2010, 03:16:11 AM »
If you really don't have to go out and get the touchstone yourself, then I suppose it's fine...

But to switch domains, you need to visit the Catalogues. They'll force you to do research for them for 1d4 weeks. But I suppose you'll try to get away with a quick 'here's an error in the Catalogues' by succeeding on that DC 25 Intelligence check. Which you get once per day. Note it is an intelligence check and not skill check, so if you're not optimized for that, you'll be stuck for a while. Either way, it's not a negligible hassle to abuse this. The rest of the party will probably get annoyed since it'll always take at least 1 day.

It is awesome, no disputing that. But I doubt it can ever see much real play (unless the whole party is doing it).

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are there any 5 level or less prestige classes which a lvl5 sorcerer can enter without any of the common cheese?
and if yes, where can i find them?

A99 Ruethar from Races of the Wild, can also be entered at level 6 by using the skill ranks requirement.

Ruathar forces you to be level 6 first. (9 pts in a skill required). Your first level in it would be your 7th lvl. However, it does only take 3 levels to complete the whole thing and you get a nice item out of it.

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« Reply #388 on: September 21, 2010, 03:26:07 AM »
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are there any 5 level or less prestige classes which a lvl5 sorcerer can enter without any of the common cheese?
and if yes, where can i find them?
If you have the dragon type, you can bypass the prereqs and waltz into singer of concordance at second level.
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Re: Simple Q&A #17 -- the "your mama's so ___ ... " edition
« Reply #389 on: September 21, 2010, 03:36:25 AM »
Q99
are there any 5 level or less prestige classes which a lvl5 sorcerer can enter without any of the common cheese?
and if yes, where can i find them?
If you have the dragon type, you can bypass the prereqs and waltz into singer of concordance at second level.

While it isn't common cheese, it's still cheese, so be warned.

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Re: Simple Q&A #17 -- the "your mama's so ___ ... " edition
« Reply #390 on: September 21, 2010, 03:46:50 AM »
While we're on the subject:

Q 204: Is there an inexpensive way for a wizard to be able to consistently make a DC 25 intelligence check? 

Focusing chant (Spell Compendium 96), improvisation (Spell Compendium 121), and surge of fortune (Complete Champion 128) provide bonuses to ability checks but are not on the wizard list and are personal range.  Good hope (Player's Handbook 237) can provide +2.  You can take 10 on ability checks.  Ability checks aren't specifically listed as something aid another helps with. 

That's as much as I've thought of. 

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« Reply #391 on: September 21, 2010, 04:00:37 AM »
While we're on the subject:

Q 204: Is there an inexpensive way for a wizard to be able to consistently make a DC 25 intelligence check? 
What level of wizard are we talking here? You'd need a Raw INT of 40 to take ten, and for every +1 you can get from another source, drop minimum int by 2.
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« Reply #392 on: September 21, 2010, 04:36:43 AM »
Surge of malevolance gives a +8 with high taint.
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« Reply #393 on: September 21, 2010, 06:39:38 AM »
Q99
are there any 5 level or less prestige classes which a lvl5 sorcerer can enter without any of the common cheese?
and if yes, where can i find them?
If you have the dragon type, you can bypass the prereqs and waltz into singer of concordance at second level.
where is that stated btw?
never could find that^^

but the ruethar might be an option, yeah

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Re: Simple Q&A #17 -- the "your mama's so ___ ... " edition
« Reply #394 on: September 21, 2010, 06:51:52 AM »
Q99
are there any 5 level or less prestige classes which a lvl5 sorcerer can enter without any of the common cheese?
and if yes, where can i find them?
If you have the dragon type, you can bypass the prereqs and waltz into singer of concordance at second level.
where is that stated btw?
never could find that^^

but the ruethar might be an option, yeah


Quote from: Races of the Dragon page 4
Dragons automatically qualify for any classes, prestige classes, racial substitution levels, feats, powers, or spells that require the dragonblood subtype.

This doesn't say "qualify as if they were dragonblooded" or "count as dragonblooded for the purposes of qualification".  No, just "automatically qualify".  Which implies that as soon as you see "dragon-blooded" pop up on the prereqs, forget everything else, you're a freakin' dragon, and automatically qualify.  It's like a grandfather clause.

The prestige itself says that silver dragons can qualify, and their racial casting is arcane only, so it seems it's actually intended for true dragons to bypass the restrictions.  Even without getting into the "are you really a true dragon" can of worms, though, the quote only specifies "dragon", and having the dragon type makes you a dragon.  And it would be pretty weird for a class to require relatively high level divine casting and then just progress any kind of casting, since usually WotC specifies.
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« Reply #395 on: September 21, 2010, 08:04:19 AM »
Or just use the summon instrument cantrip.
Or sing.

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« Reply #396 on: September 21, 2010, 08:59:51 AM »
It should be like how true dragons who can cast cleric spells use the cleric spelllist with their sorcerer racial stuff.
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« Reply #397 on: September 21, 2010, 10:38:44 AM »
Q 205: Can a Miracle or Shadow Miracle emulate a spell enhanced by metamagic, even if you do not possess said metamagic feat(s)?  E.g. Empowered Maximized Hail of Stone (7th level spell normally)?
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« Reply #398 on: September 21, 2010, 10:52:05 AM »
Q 206Could someone remind me of the method(s) of applying Power Attack with a thrown weapon?
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« Reply #399 on: September 21, 2010, 10:56:02 AM »
Q 206Could someone remind me of the method(s) of applying Power Attack with a thrown weapon?

Brutal Throw, CW (I think, it may be Adv). IF not that, there is another feat related to it in the same book.

Q 205: Can a Miracle or Shadow Miracle emulate a spell enhanced by metamagic, even if you do not possess said metamagic feat(s)?  E.g. Empowered Maximized Hail of Stone (7th level spell normally)?

It's just a slightly more complex Miracle than just duplicating the normal spell. Shouldn't be out of range of a Miracle.


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