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Re: Simple Q&A 16: Has Anyone Really Been Far Even As ...
« Reply #660 on: September 06, 2010, 03:16:24 PM »
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« Reply #661 on: September 06, 2010, 03:28:22 PM »
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Is there a better way to turn the Bard's Inspire Courage into a debuff than the Inspire Awe ACF? I seem to remember something that turned the morale bonus for allies into a penalty for enemies, but I can't find it. Maybe it's in some Dragon mag or a PrC? I know there's a Pathfinder ACF that does that, but I don't think that was it. Maybe I'm just imagining things.

There's also some feat in either Libris Mortis or Heroes of Horror, I think it's called Haunting Melody, that makes all foes in a 30-ft. radius shaken if they fail a save based on your perform check.

Combined with Imperious Command, it's a really good debuff. And there are ways around those pesky immunities, so...

I think ECF reprinted it,. and nerfed the save back to 10+ 1/2 level + CHA
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Re: Simple Q&A 16: Has Anyone Really Been Far Even As ...
« Reply #662 on: September 06, 2010, 03:32:24 PM »
Q 193

Is there a better way to turn the Bard's Inspire Courage into a debuff than the Inspire Awe ACF? I seem to remember something that turned the morale bonus for allies into a penalty for enemies, but I can't find it. Maybe it's in some Dragon mag or a PrC? I know there's a Pathfinder ACF that does that, but I don't think that was it. Maybe I'm just imagining things.

There's also some feat in either Libris Mortis or Heroes of Horror, I think it's called Haunting Melody, that makes all foes in a 30-ft. radius shaken if they fail a save based on your perform check.

Combined with Imperious Command, it's a really good debuff. And there are ways around those pesky immunities, so...

I think ECF reprinted it,. and nerfed the save back to 10+ 1/2 level + CHA
The save is 10+1/2 level+Cha in HoH anyway. What's based off of Perform is the duration. As for Imperious Command, I'm not sure that'd work, since the feat specifically says "When you demoralize a foe", which is a specific function of the Intimidate Skill. Still, Haunting Melody is a feat to keep in mind.

Also, I knew I wasn't just imagining things. Thanks, guys.
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« Reply #663 on: September 06, 2010, 05:43:48 PM »
Q 189: Is there any way for a High Level Enchanter to bypass immunity to mind-affecting abilities? I'm pretty sure i've read somewhere about a feat that removes a 'clause' of a spell, such as "Compulsion", can't seem to find it though.

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« Reply #664 on: September 06, 2010, 06:01:34 PM »
Q 196 How does an undead being gain Unholy Toughness? Like a vampire, or anything else that's got a decent CHA? It was introduced in MMIII, but only the new creatures seem to have it as an Ex ability.
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« Reply #665 on: September 06, 2010, 06:10:41 PM »
Q 195: What's the Highest Str form for Shapechange? I can reach up to 28 HD with Reserves of Strength.
I've only checked the SRD, but the best I'm seeing there is a Nightcrawler with 48 str. I'd search the other MMs for you, but I can't ctrl+f those.

Q 196 How does an undead being gain Unholy Toughness? Like a vampire, or anything else that's got a decent CHA? It was introduced in MMIII, but only the new creatures seem to have it as an Ex ability.
I'm pretty sure that's just a quality of those particular monsters that have it, the way that any old undead can't "get" energy drain on their attacks -- certain types just have it.

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« Reply #666 on: September 06, 2010, 06:14:51 PM »
Q 196 How does an undead being gain Unholy Toughness? Like a vampire, or anything else that's got a decent CHA? It was introduced in MMIII, but only the new creatures seem to have it as an Ex ability.
I'm pretty sure that's just a quality of those particular monsters that have it, the way that any old undead can't "get" energy drain on their attacks -- certain types just have it.
This is correct. You can't "gain" Unholy Toughness, you either have it by virtue of being a specific kind of undead or you don't. Note that even after its introduction, not all Undead printed afterwards had it.
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« Reply #667 on: September 06, 2010, 06:46:42 PM »
Q197 I need some quick tips on smashing undead. Rod of Defiance, Scepter of the Netherworld, Lyre of the Restful Soul and the Ghost Net are good ideas, but may not be available. What else can you guys think of? Preferably cheap items, our funds are low (although we may consider stealing something if it's really worth it.)

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« Reply #668 on: September 06, 2010, 06:49:09 PM »
Q197 I need some quick tips on smashing undead. Rod of Defiance, Scepter of the Netherworld, Lyre of the Restful Soul and the Ghost Net are good ideas, but may not be available. What else can you guys think of? Preferably cheap items, our funds are low (although we may consider stealing something if it's really worth it.)
Define "Smashing". Any particular limits as to how?
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« Reply #669 on: September 06, 2010, 06:51:06 PM »
Q197 I need some quick tips on smashing undead. Rod of Defiance, Scepter of the Netherworld, Lyre of the Restful Soul and the Ghost Net are good ideas, but may not be available. What else can you guys think of? Preferably cheap items, our funds are low (although we may consider stealing something if it's really worth it.)
On the low cost end is a custom item of bless water and create water. costs under 6000 gp. Then get some dust of dryness and a 100 gallon vat. Fill the vat with holy water and throw in the dust of dryness. 100 gallons of holy water in a handy marble package.
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Re: Simple Q&A 16: Has Anyone Really Been Far Even As ...
« Reply #670 on: September 06, 2010, 06:56:03 PM »
Q197 I need some quick tips on smashing undead. Rod of Defiance, Scepter of the Netherworld, Lyre of the Restful Soul and the Ghost Net are good ideas, but may not be available. What else can you guys think of? Preferably cheap items, our funds are low (although we may consider stealing something if it's really worth it.)
Define "Smashing". Any particular limits as to how?

We're facing quite a variety of undead, so anything that useful for destroying the particularly hard-to-kill ones is what's needed. Examples are: Ghosts, Undead Swarms, Boneyards. There's also tons of huge Skeletons and Spawns of Kyuss, Shadows and possibly a vampire. We are ECL 12-13, but our funds are tied up in gear and our time is limited. We have access to a metropolis and decent contacts, but the DM rolls randomly on item availability for anything he considers expensive or rare.

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« Reply #671 on: September 06, 2010, 06:58:30 PM »
Q197 I need some quick tips on smashing undead. Rod of Defiance, Scepter of the Netherworld, Lyre of the Restful Soul and the Ghost Net are good ideas, but may not be available. What else can you guys think of? Preferably cheap items, our funds are low (although we may consider stealing something if it's really worth it.)
Define "Smashing". Any particular limits as to how?

We're facing quite a variety of undead, so anything that useful for destroying the particularly hard-to-kill ones is what's needed. Examples are: Ghosts, Undead Swarms, Boneyards. There's also tons of huge Skeletons and Spawns of Kyuss, Shadows and possibly a vampire. We are ECL 12-13, but our funds are tied up in gear and our time is limited. We have access to a metropolis and decent contacts, but the DM rolls randomly on item availability for anything he considers expensive or rare.
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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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« Reply #672 on: September 06, 2010, 06:59:46 PM »
A least truedeath crystal (Magic Item Compendium 66) costs 1,000 gp and can be attached to any weapon of masterwork or better quality, causing it to deal +1d6 damage against undead.  The lesser version costs 5,000 gp, requires a +1 or better weapon, and also gives the weapon the ghost touch property.  

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« Reply #673 on: September 06, 2010, 07:12:05 PM »
doesnt the truthdeath crystal also make it so you can crit/sneak attack undead? could be usefull. relatively cheap.....
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« Reply #674 on: September 06, 2010, 07:22:33 PM »
doesnt the truthdeath crystal also make it so you can crit/sneak attack undead? could be usefull. relatively cheap.....
That would be the Greater version, for 10k, which also incorporates the two other functions.
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« Reply #675 on: September 06, 2010, 07:25:52 PM »
Q 196 How does an undead being gain Unholy Toughness? Like a vampire, or anything else that's got a decent CHA? It was introduced in MMIII, but only the new creatures seem to have it as an Ex ability.
I'm pretty sure that's just a quality of those particular monsters that have it, the way that any old undead can't "get" energy drain on their attacks -- certain types just have it.
This is correct. You can't "gain" Unholy Toughness, you either have it by virtue of being a specific kind of undead or you don't. Note that even after its introduction, not all Undead printed afterwards had it.
Yeah, but that can also be WotC being stupid too. They came up with it in MMIII. Granted they didn't go "BTW, you can add this to previous undead too for +1 CR", but I chalk that up to them being stupid, and not liking the idea of retrofitting various monsters.
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« Reply #676 on: September 06, 2010, 07:31:11 PM »
Q 196 How does an undead being gain Unholy Toughness? Like a vampire, or anything else that's got a decent CHA? It was introduced in MMIII, but only the new creatures seem to have it as an Ex ability.
I'm pretty sure that's just a quality of those particular monsters that have it, the way that any old undead can't "get" energy drain on their attacks -- certain types just have it.
This is correct. You can't "gain" Unholy Toughness, you either have it by virtue of being a specific kind of undead or you don't. Note that even after its introduction, not all Undead printed afterwards had it.
Yeah, but that can also be WotC being stupid too. They came up with it in MMIII. Granted they didn't go "BTW, you can add this to previous undead too for +1 CR", but I chalk that up to them being stupid, and not liking the idea of retrofitting various monsters.
not every undead (not even intelligent undead) have that ability post MM3, though. Thatsaid, check in theback of the mm where it talks about Null (-) ability scores. It mentions creatures with a null con use cha whenever they would use con. There's limits, but it may be arguable all undead can do that, and the MM3 just called it out because people were missing it prior...
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Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Simple Q&A 16: Has Anyone Really Been Far Even As ...
« Reply #677 on: September 06, 2010, 08:48:33 PM »
Q 196 How does an undead being gain Unholy Toughness? Like a vampire, or anything else that's got a decent CHA? It was introduced in MMIII, but only the new creatures seem to have it as an Ex ability.
I'm pretty sure that's just a quality of those particular monsters that have it, the way that any old undead can't "get" energy drain on their attacks -- certain types just have it.
This is correct. You can't "gain" Unholy Toughness, you either have it by virtue of being a specific kind of undead or you don't. Note that even after its introduction, not all Undead printed afterwards had it.
Yeah, but that can also be WotC being stupid too. They came up with it in MMIII. Granted they didn't go "BTW, you can add this to previous undead too for +1 CR", but I chalk that up to them being stupid, and not liking the idea of retrofitting various monsters.
not every undead (not even intelligent undead) have that ability post MM3, though. Thatsaid, check in theback of the mm where it talks about Null (-) ability scores. It mentions creatures with a null con use cha whenever they would use con. There's limits, but it may be arguable all undead can do that, and the MM3 just called it out because people were missing it prior...
The closest you can legally get is an Undead Cleric that goes through Walker in the Waste or uses an epic spell.

And no, Undead only use their Cha modifier for Concentration checks and save DC's that would normally be based on Con (such as poison and breath weapons).  Note that the second part of this only applies to creatures that were always Undead (i.e., not templates).
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« Reply #678 on: September 06, 2010, 09:23:19 PM »
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If I initiate a special bull rush attempt in which I do not move, such as with the feat Knockback, am I still limited to pushing an opponent only as much as my movement limit as an ordinary bull rush?

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If I manage to use both the Driving Attack and Knockback feats in the same attack, how far is the opponent pushed?

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« Reply #679 on: September 06, 2010, 09:50:58 PM »
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