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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2010, 12:59:28 PM »
I'd like to point out that "Magic Immunity" in 3.5 only means "Infinite Spell Resistance" now. Shatter also normally effects it.

Discuss.
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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2010, 01:38:29 PM »
Except that the Magic Immunity specifies Supernatural effects as well, which never allow SR.  IIRC, it also says all spells (although apparently this immunity does not extend to its own casting).
I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle.  The book doesn't even exist!

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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2010, 01:44:02 PM »
Except that the Magic Immunity specifies Supernatural effects as well, which never allow SR.  IIRC, it also says all spells (although apparently this immunity does not extend to its own casting).
It made a difference in 3.0, though. The 3.5 document doesn't clarify the ability, which has an explicit definition in the...dmg? Phb? MM? One of the core three.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2010, 01:56:57 PM »
And does the Phylactery even have to be with the body?  Couldn't it be somewhere in the middle of Limbo or in some other spot that would make it impossible to get to?
Only a retarded demilich would keep its phylactery with it. Especially look at the Phylactery Transferrence ability, or whatever it's called, that lets it benefit from magic items left with its phylactery.

So... yeah, finding and getting to that phylactery should be an epic adventure in itself.
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2010, 02:08:36 PM »
And does the Phylactery even have to be with the body?  Couldn't it be somewhere in the middle of Limbo or in some other spot that would make it impossible to get to?
Only a retarded demilich would keep its phylactery with it. Especially look at the Phylactery Transferrence ability, or whatever it's called, that lets it benefit from magic items left with its phylactery.

So... yeah, finding and getting to that phylactery should be an epic adventure in itself.
Or just a day's worth of CoPing.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2010, 02:13:45 PM »
A Drunken Master (you can use improvised weapons)/ Psychic Warrior should be able to summon it with Soulbound Weapon (you can call a specific weapon from anywhere), as I stated earlier.
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2010, 02:15:04 PM »
A Drunken Master (you can use improvised weapons)/ Psychic Warrior should be able to summon it with Soulbound Weapon (you can call a specific weapon from anywhere), as I stated earlier.
While holding their breathe in a Wall of Force built room with no exists in an AMF full of Holy Water...
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2010, 02:22:23 PM »
As long as the Holy Water was 50% alcohol, he'd do it. Although Call weaponry wouldn't work in an AMF. AMF would have to be a contingency.
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2010, 02:24:34 PM »
As long as the Holy Water was 50% alcohol, he'd do it. Although Call weaponry wouldn't work in an AMF. AMF would have to be a contingency.
Call weapon, contingency triggers.

Also, Mead is primarily water-based...if he were a dwarf...
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2010, 06:23:53 PM »
i've always been fond of shrink item... works on pools of water, holy or not. turn a pool or pools of holy water into cloth, and that into clothes or something, "give" it to the lich somehow as loot. let the lich take the loot home and you don't have to even find the lair....
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2010, 10:31:36 PM »
Except that the Magic Immunity specifies Supernatural effects as well, which never allow SR.  IIRC, it also says all spells (although apparently this immunity does not extend to its own casting).
Depends if you consider Rules Compendium to override it or not, I suppose.

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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2010, 01:42:58 AM »
Except that the Magic Immunity specifies Supernatural effects as well, which never allow SR.  IIRC, it also says all spells (although apparently this immunity does not extend to its own casting).

Doesn't mean jack for spells that do not allow SR, though.
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2010, 10:14:43 AM »
As long as the Holy Water was 50% alcohol, he'd do it. Although Call weaponry wouldn't work in an AMF. AMF would have to be a contingency.
Call weapon, contingency triggers.

Also, Mead is primarily water-based...if he were a dwarf...
Any dwarf worth the name would make holy water out of high proof whiskey.
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #73 on: August 10, 2010, 04:14:37 PM »
As long as the Holy Water was 50% alcohol, he'd do it. Although Call weaponry wouldn't work in an AMF. AMF would have to be a contingency.
Call weapon, contingency triggers.

Also, Mead is primarily water-based...if he were a dwarf...
Any dwarf worth the name would make holy water out of high proof whiskey.

Good thing mead is not whiskey.  ;)

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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #75 on: August 10, 2010, 05:08:16 PM »
Think of the Holy Whisky Flamethrowers?
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It's also a little cold because of that.
Please get it a blanket.

I wish I could read your mind,
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #76 on: August 10, 2010, 05:09:22 PM »
Think of the Holy Whisky Flamethrowers?

What do you think a Dwarven Flame Strike is?
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #77 on: August 10, 2010, 05:33:14 PM »
Think of the Holy Whisky Flamethrowers?

What do you think a Dwarven Flame Strike is?
Self-induced vomiting, obviously.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #78 on: August 10, 2010, 05:56:02 PM »
what? it wasn't flatulence? and all this time....
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Re: Demilich weaknesses
« Reply #79 on: August 10, 2010, 06:07:29 PM »
what? it wasn't flatulence? and all this time....
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