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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2010, 06:19:21 PM »
Caelic doesn't like them.


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Elves don't have brains, they have fungus. You have to kill it with fire to get rid of elves permanently.

So they're like 40K Orks?

I was thinking more along the lines of "their 'brains' and they just keep going" rather than the awesome of the Boyz.
hmm ... so Pizza with Sausage and Elf topping, then ??
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #81 on: July 31, 2010, 06:17:48 AM »
This is the heart of "Ninja Logic".

Your logic is faulty. Claiming there are no ninja elves simply because you deem elves too uncool to be ninjas is wrong simply because any elf worthy of becoming a ninja would, of course, be a very good ninja (due to their racial Dex bonus). Everyone knows that a good ninja is never seen (if he is, then he's obviously a bad ninja, because that's the whole point). Therefore, any elven ninjas would be, by definition, unperceived.
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Yeah I noticed my logic was flawed but didn't care since the topic was silly anyway. Though you not only refuted the logic but came up with a logical counterargument. Well played.

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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2010, 11:22:03 AM »
Proposed house rule: +2 Initiative. All the "elves are good fighters" myth is a result of their enemies quite often dying before they can act.

Proposed House Flavor & adventure hook: Elves say they are bad assed and bribe many innkeepers into telling false stories about them. The illusion of facts supported by the logical thinking of a Human Wizard hitting level 20 in his life time vs an Elves who lives ten times as long for the most part keeps people from debunking the myth.

Your party of adventurers, named The Mythbusters, have set out to test this theory by seeing how easy it is to kill elves and take over their cities.
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2010, 01:21:39 PM »
Your party of adventurers, named The Mythbusters, have set out to test this theory by seeing how easy it is to kill elves and take over their cities.

So we get to stat up Buster, a level 20 Elf-slaying Warforged? :D
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #84 on: July 31, 2010, 04:30:29 PM »
. . . Suddenly a mythbusters-inspired party, hired by some manner of arcane collegium, sounds like an incredibly awesome campaign.
Shh. My common sense is tingling. . .

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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #85 on: July 31, 2010, 05:06:09 PM »
. . . Suddenly a mythbusters-inspired party, hired by some manner of arcane collegium, sounds like an incredibly awesome campaign.

So long as their first job is to kill that insufferable Jay Ingram. God damn I hate that guy.

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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #86 on: July 31, 2010, 05:29:58 PM »
i do have a Few Elf based fighter type that i will post later when they are finished, 2 Barbarian based, 1 Martial Manuver based ... to see what you think

quick note ...... if Orcs are supposed to be so Good at Combat, why does Gruumsh only have one eye?  :sherlock


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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #87 on: July 31, 2010, 05:31:24 PM »
He lost it due to being notoriously shortsighted.

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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #88 on: July 31, 2010, 05:35:28 PM »
 :teach true ... he couldnt see that the opponent he was fighting was an ELF until after the battle started, then it was too late

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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #89 on: July 31, 2010, 05:37:29 PM »
Well, when your Orc eye gets a +10 Orcbane arrow shot into it, it sort of becomes useless.
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #90 on: July 31, 2010, 05:49:42 PM »
i do have a Few Elf based fighter type that i will post later when they are finished, 2 Barbarian based, 1 Martial Manuver based ... to see what you think

quick note ...... if Orcs are supposed to be so Good at Combat, why does Gruumsh only have one eye?  :sherlock


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Gruumsh traded it for power and because it looked freaking badass.
Unfortunately Correllon deployed the half elf misinformation squad.
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #91 on: July 31, 2010, 05:51:20 PM »
Gruumsh traded it for power and because it looked freaking badass.
Unfortunately Correllon deployed the half elf misinformation squad.

So wait...was Gruumsh the primordial Pirate?
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #93 on: July 31, 2010, 09:08:04 PM »
The reason elves are bad choices for Combat is because they can't wield Greatswords.


*waits for it*
*sigh* Fine. What about Uranium greatswords?
Why would anybody bother with a greatsword when they could use a katana?
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #94 on: July 31, 2010, 09:14:43 PM »
It's like D&D CO has It's own meme's or something ;P
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Tiers explained in 8 sentences. With examples!
[spoiler]Tiers break down into who has spellcasting more than anything else due to spells being better than anything else in the game.
6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
1: Elitists. Artificer, Cleric, Druid, Wizard.
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #95 on: July 31, 2010, 09:16:07 PM »
This is the heart of "Ninja Logic".

Your logic is faulty. Claiming there are no ninja elves simply because you deem elves too uncool to be ninjas is wrong simply because any elf worthy of becoming a ninja would, of course, be a very good ninja (due to their racial Dex bonus). Everyone knows that a good ninja is never seen (if he is, then he's obviously a bad ninja, because that's the whole point). Therefore, any elven ninjas would be, by definition, unperceived.


Yeah I noticed my logic was flawed but didn't care since the topic was silly anyway. Though you not only refuted the logic but came up with a logical counterargument. Well played.

My logic was probably flawed in some way too, I just wanted to escalate the debate. ;)

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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #96 on: July 31, 2010, 09:49:32 PM »
Though if we simply kill the elven lords, the elven ninja would commit seppoku and we wouldn't need to see them.
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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #97 on: July 31, 2010, 09:52:02 PM »
Though if we simply kill the elven lords, the elven ninja would commit seppoku and we wouldn't need to see them.

I thought that seppuku was reserved for samurai?

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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #98 on: July 31, 2010, 09:59:13 PM »
I'm willing to make an exception in this case.

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Re: Why are Elves considered Bad choices for Combat?
« Reply #99 on: July 31, 2010, 10:03:31 PM »
Though if we simply kill the elven lords, the elven ninja would commit seppoku and we wouldn't need to see them.

I thought that seppuku was reserved for samurai?

After doing some research, apparently having a master doesn't matter, since Ninjas who run out of victims shove frisbees don their throats.
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