Putting up the good fight here azrael? This thing took a lot of work...
Finally took a look at all this (for selfish reasons) and you have many references to abilities not in the mango index: Irresistible Spell (please tell its not from the license-defunct and broken kingdoms of kalamar stuff...) and spell engine are the ones I remember.
This is fusion abuse at its lengthiest. I'm confused about the continuous family domain and so forth but I probably just haven't looked hard enough (this thing needs a roadmap).
Speaking of fusion abuse where is that classic Trinity build? I don't have it in my dirty handbook fixes!
Irresistible Spell is from Kalimar but its official material, it has the official seal just like any other official material, and the official errata doesn't change the feat. The unofficial errata removes it but hey...I think if there was "unofficial errata" for every book most of the things we do here wouldn't be allowed. So saying that irresistible spell isn't viable because the unofficial errata bans it isn't really a good argument (not that you said that exactly, but other people were).
Spell Engine is in SpC I think.
The family domain is a power which you activate for 1 min/level (or something) a day. It has a duration so therefore its permanent with the temporal reiteration/font of power combo. Since it grants a dodge bonus and dodge bonuses stack I figure I can just have a billion of them active at the same time, since the reiteration will persist them, and the dodge bonuses shouldn't override each other...but I could be wrong.
Also, I did fail to mention before that my Azrael fusion idea has been around since the week complete psi came out (the very second I read the temporal reiteration power). So it is probably one of the oldest fusion builds. I just didn't post it back then. Sure, there's no way to prove that or anything...I'm just saying. He started off as a simple leadership build with only him and his cohort...which then evolved when I figured I could fuse his followers, and evolved again when I used thrallherd, and evolved once more when I nested thrallherds into the "final" form you see today.
Well, it seems that you have edited most of your posts to take out mentions, but you were actually quoted by someone back on page 9 as saying that Azrael was a Non-TO character. You have been proven wrong on that so you are moving goalposts. I get it. Your one of those guys.
Seriously, you have a nice build. But it really is just a compilation of several builds, LITERALLY Fused together. And, like I said, I think most DMs would draw a line between willing to help you with adventuring and ceasing to exist to become part of you. Most DMs would not allow Fusion abuse like this. Hence the entirety of the build is TO as without that Fusion you have nothing particularly special. Despite your effort to Stealth edit your statements throughout this thread, this is something that 5 days ago you claimed was not the case.
I apparently had a different definition of TO than they did. I only meant he wasn't a type 2 char (not that I thought that such a distinction existed, it was merely my own interpretation of what TO was). So I'm not one of "those" guys...whatever that means exactly.
Also, if you cared to actually look into these so called "stealth edits" you would find that for 90% of them the time edited is only a few minutes after the time posted (seriously, go look). The reason most of my posts are edited is because I hate looking at the post in these windows (yes I know you can preview) so I post it, then read over it and fix a few of the more obvious grammatical errors (not all...this isn't a term paper you know). If I really was going back and "stealth editing" my posts the time/date of the edit would be hours or days afterward.
Don't take this the wrong way but I cant talk to you anymore about this because you clearly aren't understanding my arguments. Perhaps I am not making myself clear, or perhaps its an error in interpretation on your part. Regardless of what I say, you keep making the same argument against Azrael.
I will say this one more time...
It doesn't matter what the DM may or may not allow, that has never been the issue. The issue is, Azrael does not rely (as the primary source of his power) on certain types of TO which make it impossible to adjudicate or play a game; such as CoP, and infinite actions. Although Azrael
can do these things, he remains extremely powerful without them.
Azrael
is TO I have never disputed that. I would derive no pleasure playing him in any campaign because he is too powerful.
However, he is not impossible to play in a campaign...if the campaign were made up of Gods, or creatures from the book of immortals he might even be allowed as a normal character. If Azrael relied on techniques like CoP and infinite actions it would make him impossible to play (please note the difference between "too powerful" and "impossible" that is the difference between type 1 and type 2 TO) because either
1. The DM is not psychic, and thus it is impossible to adjudicate CoP in the manner most TO people utilize it unless someone found a realistic way to do the preemptive action CoP idea. However, even if they did, issues such as "who existed first" would likely arise, and thus make it impossible to continue.
2. Infinite anything pretty much hands the entire multiverse on a silver platter to the player using said infinite combo...thus the DM might as well just concede that the character kills everything in the multiverse and is the only sentient being left.
3. I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons.
My
"new" argument with Azrael involves collecting data on what types of TO objectively (this is not a subjective matter) make it impossible, or nearly impossible to play a game, classifying them, eliminating any of them from Azrael, and then evaluating him based on other potential matchups versus characters without such TO.
It is also my hope (however lofty) that through this classification we can develop a new curriculum for designing characters; similar to the tier system.
I do hope I have made myself clear this time...if not, perhaps someone like Kell can assist me...he seems to understand what I am saying most of the time.