Please Delete This Thread *1st post revised for why*

[kevin_video]

Sorry everyone that helped, but this thread is no longer valid.

The drow will now be a 15th level soldier from this excerpt http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/excerpts/P2_L15.pdf on page "33".

The council president has deemed that it must be 4E if we're going to do any kind of tournament. If it was a one-shot that'd only take 2-3 hours, we could do it with 3.5 or another system. That's just the kind of contract that they've got so they can get complimentary (aka "free") prizes.

Personally I hate 4E so I'm no longer going to be helping run the adventure. The majority of my players are stepping down as well.

My epic level encounter thread is now no longer valid either so I've changed that to be deleted as well.

You'd think they wouldn't do this considering it was unanimous at this year's convention that no one liked 4E, but apparently no one's listening.

Again, sorry for taking up everyone's time with this.

[Shadowhunter]

Well, it's not a far stretch to call that a big hand crossbow instead of a light crossbow. Especially since she looks like she's going to fire it one-handed.

So, appropriate enough, there is Hand Crossbow Focus from Drows of the Underdark.

That's Weapon Focus and Rapid Reload in one feat, only better.

[kevin_video]

Well, it's not a far stretch to call that a big hand crossbow instead of a light crossbow. Especially since she looks like she's going to fire it one-handed.

So, appropriate enough, there is Hand Crossbow Focus from Drows of the Underdark.

That's Weapon Focus and Rapid Reload in one feat, only better.

Well that sounds pretty good. So you can't fire a light crossbow with just one hand? I thought you could. I know the Ranged Weapons section is below the Two-Handed Melee weapons though. It says you can fire with just one hand, but needs two to reload it. Although there is that -2 penalty to firing. Hmm. Just went through Completely Scoundrel and there is an add-on to the hand crossbow that equals a dagger. It's not 1d6, but 1d4's still better than nothing.

And since rogues are naturally proficient with the hand crossbow anyways, that's not a bad feat to take at all.

[Sohala]

Factotum 2/Generic Expert 2/Generic Warrior 1/Assassin 5/Ur-priest 1/Arcane Trickster 7?

[kevin_video]

Factotum 2/Generic Expert 2/Generic Warrior 1/Assassin 5/Ur-priest 1/Arcane Trickster 7?

Sorry, no. He wanted Rogue/Cleric. She is LE so I had tried to get him to take Assassin, but he wouldn't go for it. Also, that's too many classes. XP penalties would be a major factor since none of them are cleric.

[Sohala]

9d6 SA, 8th level divine spells, 3rd level arcane spells, quite a few skill points...

Wait, PrC give xp penalties?

[kevin_video]

9d6 SA, 8th level divine spells, 3rd level arcane spells, quite a few skill points...

Wait, PrC give xp penalties?

No, the Factotum, Warrior, and Expert do. A female drow has to be a cleric, while a male's supposed to be a wizard. So if you're a Cleric/whatever, you're fine, but if you add a third class (NPC or otherwise), you start to take XP penalties. Hence he chose a Rogue/Cleric. She looks like a rogue, but he didn't want to go the full 20 levels of it, and decided he wanted some basic healing for his character, and decided that she'd be a cleric as well since that's their favoured class.

And yes, we're using the XP penalties rules that most gamers tossed out eons ago. We have to. It's convention rules. If it's in the book, you have to abide by it. No house ruling whatsoever.

[Sohala]

No, the Factotum, Warrior, and Expert do.

Wrong, they would work, they are all within one level of each other.

[weenog]

No, the Factotum, Warrior, and Expert do.

Wrong, they would work, they are all within one level of each other.

Beat me to it.

[kevin_video]

No, the Factotum, Warrior, and Expert do.

Wrong, they would work, they are all within one level of each other.

True, but I'm not the rules lawyer. The guy wanted a rogue/cleric, but I'll build down too. He'll take it to the convention president who's going to be in charge. That person will be the final decider, not me.

EDIT: To put it mildly, we finally got them to accept anything other than core rules (because not everyone had the books short of illegal downloads of the pdfs because WotC took them down), and it's hard even to let them do anything other then 4E because WotC only gives them prizes based on that system, despite the fact that every year everyone tells them that they hate 4E. Rules are rules, regardless. No one likes that the tournaments have to be 4E. Even though less people are interested in it, and we're finding people doing side games in other rooms with 1st and 2nd Ed, their contract with WotC stands. Much like how book stores had to choose either 4E, or 3.5 and Pathfinder. I hate that clause.

But, that's not a rant/story for this thread.

[kevin_video]

[gorfnad]

How about Rogue 3/ Cleric (Cloistered or regular)  7/ Eye of Lloth (DotU) 10? Use the feat Sacred Outlaw or Craven to keep sneak attack up. You'll need the feats Dodge and Cautious Attack for prereqs but other than that you should be able to throw in Hand Crossbow Focus and whatever other feats you need.

[kevin_video]

Yeah I had seen that. I'm trying to remember why that wasn't the best plan in his mind. I think it was because of the teamwork stuff, but if she's the cohort, that shouldn't matter. Even if she's 100% alone, she still gets the bonuses regardless.

Hopefully there will enough feats for everything he's wanting to do. There's seven, so two less shouldn't make that much of a difference anyways. Of course in total that makes seven so far (sacred outlaw, razing strike, crossbow sniper, cautious attack, dodge, hand crossbow focus, point blank shot). Practiced spellcaster is not going to be one of the feats, that's for sure.

He just wrote back asking if Spellwarp Sniper would be a good idea. At first I was thinking no, but the first four might be decent just to get Precise Shot. But then again, you can get that as a +1 bonus on the crossbow anyways. Although, if he went 10 levels of rogue, that special ability can be a feat, so he could always take that then too.

What I'm also looking at is the BAB. Although, clerics do have that spell that give them the BAB of a fighter for so many rounds per level.

[Sohala]

Well, you could do other dips then, I like generic just when I need filler, factotum 2/fighter 2/rogue 1, you lose a d6 of SA and the extra feats become fighter only, but would make more DMs happy.

[Hallack]

If you are wanting to keep it relatively simple then perhaps Rogue/Cloistered Cleric (stealthy domains) and reflavored PRC like Shadowbane Stalker (CAdv).  Of course there are other weaker caster progression PRCs that also could work well especially since you are not really worried about getting more than 5th level spells.

 

[McPoyo]

The picture is from the Pathfinder bestiary, Drow Elf section. It's also in the d20pfsrd.com

[kevin_video]

If you are wanting to keep it relatively simple then perhaps Rogue/Cloistered Cleric (stealthy domains) and reflavored PRC like Shadowbane Stalker (CAdv).  Of course there are other weaker caster progression PRCs that also could work well especially since you are not really worried about getting more than 5th level spells.

Reflavored? As in not LG version? Unless it's in a book somewhere, no.

[Rebel7284]

Arcane Trickster can advance Divine casting... Ur Priest?

[Sohala]

When a new arcane trickster level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in a spellcasting class he belonged to before adding the prestige class.

Yup, just with the arcane spell requirement, some might not think of it. 

[Rebel7284]

Factotum/Swordsage can totally enter.

Factotum 8/Ur Priest 2/Swordsage 1/Arcane Trickster 8/Hit and Run Variant Fighter 1

Edit: extra favored class feat?