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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2010, 07:41:24 PM »
Can I use a bunch of instruments to activate simultaneously for Inspire Courage?  For example, could I blow a natural horn, play drums with my elbows, strum a mandolin, and fart into a french horn?
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2010, 07:43:59 PM »
Did you put points into Perform: One man band?

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2010, 11:21:41 PM »
Can I use a bunch of instruments to activate simultaneously for Inspire Courage?  For example, could I blow a natural horn, play drums with my elbows, strum a mandolin, and fart into a french horn?
You'd be playing flight of the bumblebee on the french horn of course.  Far as the rest, yeah, I'd want enough ranks in the appropriate perform skill for anything you want to use for it to have any effect
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2010, 01:19:35 AM »
Can I use a bunch of instruments to activate simultaneously for Inspire Courage?  For example, could I blow a natural horn, play drums with my elbows, strum a mandolin, and fart into a french horn?
You'd be playing flight of the bumblebee on the french horn of course.  Far as the rest, yeah, I'd want enough ranks in the appropriate perform skill for anything you want to use for it to have any effect

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2010, 07:09:37 AM »
Where are these instruments found?

I also added advice on the Natural Horn ("Horn, Natural").
You're still missing the Harmony Spell in the first post.

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2010, 07:43:48 AM »
Firstly, the Harmony spell was updated to become Inspirational Boost, so it more or less doesn't stack with it, nor does it effectively exist unless you're not using spell compendium for some reason.

Secondly, Warrior Skald in Races of Faerun is a good way of getting bardic music without levels in bard. In fact it's so badly worded it's probably better than bard levels for getting bardic music, since it lets you get Inspire Greatness like a trillion levels earlier.

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2010, 02:27:27 PM »
Firstly, the Harmony spell was updated to become Inspirational Boost, so it more or less doesn't stack with it, nor does it effectively exist unless you're not using spell compendium for some reason.
They mangled it then. IB is +1 while H is +2 and +4 to saves.

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2010, 07:45:14 PM »
If I have 3 ranks in Perform: Percussion and none in Perform: Wind Instruments, can I still use a natural horn to Inspire Courage?

Also, did Complete Adventurer's horn combine and update the natural horn and shell horn from Song and Silence?
« Last Edit: June 13, 2010, 07:47:33 PM by Endarire »
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2010, 02:21:14 AM »
Everyone is forgetting about some indirect ways of boosting.

Feats:
Lingering Song: The effects of a bardic song last longer. This is most useful for the dragonfire crowd, who could either double the dice granted (debatable) or get the benefits of both IC and DI

Spells:
Lingering Chorus: Does the same thing as Lingering Song, except you can have only one LC active at one time, and it lasts CL rounds. Same use as LS.

PrCs:
Seeker of the Song/Wardancer: Both of them have a class feature that lets you use 2 bard songs or their specific bardic songlike abilities at the same time. Should allow doubling of the IC benefit. Let's the dragonfire crowd hit +96d6 to all allies.

Do not diss the bard.

All of these stacking: You could have 6 IC out at the same time. Even with the conservative
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Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2010, 02:07:42 PM »
IC and Dragonfire Inspiration stack as do different flavors of Dragonfire Inspiration.  However, one bard cannot double up on Dragonfire Inspiration as each individual is limited to one type of energy (same source, yada yada).  Inspire Courage and Inspire Courage don't stack (same source and same typed bonus).
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2010, 01:21:02 AM »
My Bard 10/SotS 2/Bard +8 with a Psion 8/Metamind 10 Cohort begs to differ.
Permanent fusion with 5 other draconic heritage bards, meaning you can use any of the 5 energy types, is win.
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Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2010, 05:45:28 PM »
Use this as the masterwork horn (Also in Song of Silence, page 42):

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1d10 miles. This allows the use of inspire greatness, countersong, and inspire courage effects even when great distances separate the musician from his or her listeners.

Great for army bard optimization!
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2010, 03:48:01 PM »
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2010, 03:48:52 PM »
...and then someone comes along and offers you a Ricola.
Naw, you're thinking of yodeling, which is done without a horn.
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2010, 08:35:48 PM »
By the way, warforged aren't immune to non-lethal damage.
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2010, 11:50:22 PM »
By the way, warforged aren't immune to non-lethal damage.

A single feat fixes that.
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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2010, 11:52:47 PM »
By the way, warforged aren't immune to non-lethal damage.

A single feat fixes that.
and makes it so they can't benefit from Vigor spells at the same time.
I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle.  The book doesn't even exist!

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2010, 06:27:21 AM »
By the way, warforged aren't immune to non-lethal damage.

A single feat fixes that.
and makes it so they can't benefit from Vigor spells at the same time.
A signle feat fixes that.

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2010, 11:57:33 AM »
By the way, warforged aren't immune to non-lethal damage.

A single feat fixes that.
and makes it so they can't benefit from Vigor spells at the same time.
A signle feat fixes that.
Which feat?  Do tell, please, as I have never seen a feat that lets them once again benefit from Fast Healing after losing that benefit with another feat.
I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle.  The book doesn't even exist!

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That explains so much about my life.
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If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit.  See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere.

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Re: Breaking Down Inspire Courage Optimization
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2010, 01:16:34 PM »
Have anyone noticed the Knight of the Rose PrC from DLCS? It is a pain to qualify for, but it grants full divine casting, full BAB, Divine Grace, leadership bonus, and most importantly in this context; +4 to IC over the course of 10 levels. I bet that you could build a killer divine bard with that.