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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #600 on: September 08, 2011, 06:27:19 PM »
Trying to set up a martial character that gets tougher to kill as he hits with attacks.  Best I can think of is a crit-focused build with Bodyfeeder weapons right now.
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #601 on: September 08, 2011, 06:33:16 PM »
I was looking to make a wild west inspired character for a specific campaign. Basic idea is someone who goes into towns disguised as a faith healer/reverend for profit (despite an obvious penchant for booze/women), but is also a skilled gunslinger (guns will be homebrew). I'm okay with his disguise being entirely roleplayed, rather than an actual skill, but social skills (mostly bluff) will be a must. Probably an oddly Chaotic Good character.

Kind of a mix between Ben Hawkins (from HBO's Carnivale) and Django (or Clint Eastwood's character in Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More for those not familiar).

I was thinking Factotum/Chameleon, but was wondering if anyone else had any cool/fun ideas.
Factotum is good, although Chameleon is really a Caster class.  The caster foci are just SO MUCH BETTER than the others.  If you want to put a fantasy spin on your character, then perhaps add Changeling with some Cabinet Trickster/Mindspy.  At high levels, you'll not only be totally unassuming, but anyone that gets any idea otherwise will invariably decide that they're wrong about you, and that you are a simple priest, and anyone that wrongs you will get shot in broad daylight, and everyone will see it but the instant after it happens, everyone will forget you shot him.  Then it'll just be like... ZOMG, dead guy in the street!

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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #602 on: September 08, 2011, 06:37:42 PM »
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Trying to set up a martial character that gets tougher to kill as he hits with attacks.  Best I can think of is a crit-focused build with Bodyfeeder weapons right now.

I remember a gladiator prestige class from 3.0 had something like this, but he needed cheering audience for most abilities.

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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #603 on: September 08, 2011, 08:40:42 PM »
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #604 on: September 09, 2011, 03:25:24 AM »
Fighter 20.

For all of them.

Weapon Focus (Killing Myself) for every feat.

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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #605 on: September 09, 2011, 03:33:08 PM »
Fighter 20.

For all of them.

Weapon Focus (Killing Myself) for every feat.

What about all their weird supernatural abilities, and spells, and what not?

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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #606 on: September 09, 2011, 06:42:47 PM »
You could probably get away with a simple Psychic Warrior or Psion (possibly into Illithid Slayer) build for most of them. I don't know anything about the specific characters, but from what I've seen of the Kingdom Hearts series, a good gish build should work for the basics.
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #607 on: September 09, 2011, 07:21:32 PM »
Psionics are always better.
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #608 on: September 11, 2011, 08:40:21 AM »
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #609 on: September 11, 2011, 08:51:23 AM »
Trying to set up a martial character that gets tougher to kill as he hits with attacks.  Best I can think of is a crit-focused build with Bodyfeeder weapons right now.
Crusader? With the right maneuvers (Devoted spirit and Stone Dragon) he gets tougher when hits by either getting DR or healing previous damage suffered.
But I assume it's not exactly what you're after...
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #610 on: September 11, 2011, 07:30:45 PM »
I am joining a game based on Magic: The Gathering very soon, and I need some some advice regarding my character build. I will be one of five players, and we each build our character around one of the five colors of MTG, emphasizing its strengths and weaknesses. The game will take us from level 1 to somewhere in the epic levels, where the characters will be expected to become planeswalkers themselves, fighting a chaotic war across worlds, planes and what have you. The other guys picked:

Red: CN orc barbarian/fighter/frienzied berzerker, built around the Hood principle. This character embodies the recklessness, brutality and aggressiveness that characterize the color red. The player has found a PrC in the 3.0 Manual of the Planes that allows this guy to tear a hole in reality itself with his melee weapon, and use it for planar travel.

White: LG halfling paladin/???, possibly going for a supermount build. This character embodies the adherence to militaristic order and discipline that characterizes the color white. The player drew his inspiration for this character from some kithkin knight card that he uses in his white deck. The DM waived most of the paladins CoC to allow him to function with Black. I don't know how he intends to deal with planar travel.

Black: LE necropolitan cloistered cleric, built to make full use of undead creation and fear effects. This characters build and strategy emphasizes the ruthless determination to win at all costs that characterizes the color black.

Green: TN elven druid. I don't need to explain where this is going, do I?

I have chosen the color blue, because I wan't to play a brains-over-brawn character that wins the battle by employing elaborate schemes and deceitful cunning. Obviously style takes priority over raw power in this campaign, so I am going to make some sacrifices to become as true to the philosophy of Blue as possible.

I wan't to play a LN wizard, and I have decided to use this card as the source of inspiration for my character. So, my questions are:

1) How do I best represent the 'Human Artifact' creature type in D&D terms? I were thinking of some kind of templated warforged with no plating and a layer of flesh over its mechanical construction, kind of like a physically weak version of the T-800 from the Terminator universe. Does such a template exist?

2) I wan't to be a wizard, but I would also like to employ constructs in battle. How can I do that without investing too much of my feats/GC in the project?

3) Any general advice as to how to make a character more 'Blue'? And specifically, how to become more like the Master Transmuter card?

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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #611 on: September 11, 2011, 07:45:43 PM »
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For race, you can be a Warforged with the Unarmored Body feat, but ask your DM to give it to you for free.  It's pretty terrible compared to just being a Human, otherwise.

You want to specialize in Abjuration, and take the Master Specialist PrC from Complete Mage.  All 10 levels.  For blue, good prohibited schools would be Evocation and Necromancy.  You will also take the Planar Touchstone feat (Planar Handbook), key yourself to the Catalogues of Enlightenment, and gain the granted Domain ability of the Inquisition domain.  Finally, you will get your 5th level of Wizard for the Spontaneous Divination ACF in Complete Champion.  This is mostly because you *really* want to have Spellcaster's Bane (Complete Mage) up whenever you need it.

Beyond that, Mindbender makes a fiendishly good dip, and Archmage's Mastery of Counterspelling will no doubt be awesome in your hands.  Getting your CL up a little higher by taking the Spell Power ability a few times isn't bad, either.

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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #612 on: September 11, 2011, 10:10:11 PM »
Wow, just wow. That card is AWESOME.

I mean, that... that...

If you'll excuse me, I'll return my 0-mana ornithopter to my hand to play Memnarch. Or Darksteel Collosus.

Sorry, I just had to say that my jaw literally dropped when I saw that.

Other than that, I would say load up on the counters. For everything.

Because that is what blue does.
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #613 on: September 11, 2011, 10:38:47 PM »
1) How do I best represent the 'Human Artifact' creature type in D&D terms? I were thinking of some kind of templated warforged with no plating and a layer of flesh over its mechanical construction, kind of like a physically weak version of the T-800 from the Terminator universe. Does such a template exist?
I know a homebrew bloodline perfect for that. Introducing the Gearkin.

2) I wan't to be a wizard, but I would also like to employ constructs in battle. How can I do that without investing too much of my feats/GC in the project?
If I can convince you to go artificer and focus on cost reduction with bonus artificer feats, it would work perfectly.

3) Any general advice as to how to make a character more 'Blue'? And specifically, how to become more like the Master Transmuter card?
Artificer is kinda like wizard that uses more forethought. And focuses on making stuff.
As an artificer, you can use any magic item, make any magic item, and thus cast and spell (via scroll prepared beforehand).
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #614 on: September 11, 2011, 11:17:40 PM »
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2) I wan't to be a wizard, but I would also like to employ constructs in battle. How can I do that without investing too much of my feats/GC in the project?

Psion with the astral construct power?

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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #615 on: September 12, 2011, 12:38:59 AM »
Wow, just wow. That card is AWESOME.

If you'll excuse me, I'll return my 0-mana ornithopter to my hand to play Memnarch. Or Darksteel Collosus.
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Anyway, what about an Effigy Master? Build artifact creatures, fight with artifact creatures.
For example: Wizard 7 / Effigy Master 5 / Uncanny Trickster 3 / Legacy Champion 5, it can create Effigies up to 31 HD before Caster Level boosts. so build a Tiny 31HD Effigy of something, then in battle use a spell slot and your actions and poof it becomes a 14-headed Hydra with a base of 31HD (via polymorph), or maybe just Baleful Transposition a 1HD Effigy for the Effigy Loth-Touched Half-Dragon 14-Headed Pryodra? I also seem to recall a lot of Templated Creature abuse on the forums a long time ago that could turn out to be pretty powerful.
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4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #616 on: September 12, 2011, 12:52:04 AM »
Anyway, what about an Effigy Master? Build artifact creatures, fight with artifact creatures.
For example: Wizard 7 / Effigy Master 5 / Uncanny Trickster 3 / Legacy Champion 5, it can create Effigies up to 31 HD before Caster Level boosts. so build a Tiny 31HD Effigy of something, then in battle use a spell slot and your actions and poof it becomes a 14-headed Hydra with a base of 31HD (via polymorph), or maybe just Baleful Transposition a 1HD Effigy for the Effigy Loth-Touched Half-Dragon 14-Headed Pryodra? I also seem to recall a lot of Templated Creature abuse on the forums a long time ago that could turn out to be pretty powerful.
Effigy Master is rather unimpressive. Craft construct allow you to make an effigy, why spend class levels on giving them minor pluses?
Effigy Creates, yet another thing artificers do better than the class they were designed to be used by.
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #617 on: September 12, 2011, 01:50:30 AM »
Effigy Master is rather unimpressive. Craft construct allow you to make an effigy, why spend class levels on giving them minor pluses?
For the double advancement and flavor really. Masters add their class level, Uncanny Trickster 3 & Legacy Champion 6 (take trickster at level 6 instead of wizard) in turn count as Master levels. So for example, at level 12 your HD cap is 16 instead of 12 and it hits 32 by level 20. It's 60% better :p

And yeah, they do gain +2 to Attack/Damage/Saves which is a tiny bit better than Augment Summoning. It isn't omfg powerful at all, but then again I don't see anyone suggesting StP Erudite or Wizard/Incantatrix/Shadowcraft with a Construct Graft in every thread either. At least the build focuses on using robots, not wands right?
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4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #618 on: September 12, 2011, 02:10:59 AM »
For the double advancement and flavor really. Masters add their class level, Uncanny Trickster 3 & Legacy Champion 6 (take trickster at level 6 instead of wizard) in turn count as Master levels. So for example, at level 12 your HD cap is 16 instead of 12 and it hits 32 by level 20. It's 60% better :p
But it's based on Caster Level, which can already be brought to insane levels anyway. Hell, using greater consumptive field, suffer the flesh and Meta-magic Spell completion, and Artificer can pull off 37 CL at 20th and 25 at 12th. That's 85% better and 108.333% better respectively.

At least the build focuses on using robots, not wands right?
It's called a hordescificer. It is an artificer build focused around building a army of constructs.
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Re: Post a simple concept, get a simple build
« Reply #619 on: September 12, 2011, 01:04:21 PM »
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Great input everyone!

The DM ruled that no homebrew bloodlines (or anything else) is allowed. Im going to have to stay within the confinements of RAW for now. Speaking of RAW, what would happen if anyone cast Awaken Construct on an Effigy Human?