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you never invest essentia into Midnight Metamagic
An interesting read, nice to see a civil discussion
Quote from: Kajhera on November 06, 2010, 02:23:08 PMThe point of Spell Resistance is to make it harder to get buffed.And healed. Don't forget that.
The point of Spell Resistance is to make it harder to get buffed.
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Your a shifter... you have all you ever need.It blows MoMF out of the waterBut if your greedy for more [Wish] for something that only effects you, like another class level or two that doesn't count against your ECL.
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Psycarnum InfusionTo use this feat, you must expend your psionic focus. Until the start of your next turn, one of your soulmelds, incarnum feats, class features, or other incarnum receptacles is treated as if it had essentia invested in it equal to its maximum essentia capacity. You don't gain any bonus essentia from this effect.
Midnight AugmentationOnce per day, you can invest essentia into this feat and choose a particular psionic power that you know. If you expend your psionic focus when manifesting that power, the power point cost to augment that power is reduced by a value equal to the invested essentia. This can't reduce the augmentation cost to less than 1. You can't invest more essentia in this feat than the chosen power's level, even if the maximum essentia capacity of this feat would normally be higher than that value. Once the amount of essentia invested is chosen, it cannot be altered and remains invested for 24 hours.
If it triggered the once per day limit it would NEVER work, because it is assume you actually DO fill those feats in the morning, and at that point you would never be able to use Psycarnum infusion anymore.
Okay, as we can see, Psycarnum Infusion says "had essentia invested in it" not "as if you had invested essentia in it".
the act of investing essentia requires a swift action.
Quote from: Brainpiercing on May 06, 2010, 06:30:16 AMIf it triggered the once per day limit it would NEVER work, because it is assume you actually DO fill those feats in the morning, and at that point you would never be able to use Psycarnum infusion anymore.I don't follow.
Until the start of your next turn
Once the amount of essentia invested is chosen, it cannot be altered and remains invested for 24 hours.
Quote from: Sohala on May 06, 2010, 11:45:31 AMOkay, as we can see, Psycarnum Infusion says "treat as if it had essentia invested in it" not "treated as if you had invested essentia in it".Ypu, I quoted it correctly. It's you blowing your focus on the psycarnum infusion that makes it have the invested essentia. If another character where donating this or somehow triggering it, I would see your point.
Okay, as we can see, Psycarnum Infusion says "treat as if it had essentia invested in it" not "treated as if you had invested essentia in it".
Quote from: Sohala on May 06, 2010, 11:45:31 AMthe act of investing essentia requires a swift action.This would explain the as if usage. Obviously the psycarnum infusion bypasses that restriction.
Quote from: PlzBreakMyCampaign on May 07, 2010, 06:53:15 AMQuote from: Brainpiercing on May 06, 2010, 06:30:16 AMIf it triggered the once per day limit it would NEVER work, because it is assume you actually DO fill those feats in the morning, and at that point you would never be able to use Psycarnum infusion anymore.I don't follow. Also if it triped the once a day, saying that you actually invested something in it, the value would not change, even though Psycarnum Infusion says:QuoteUntil the start of your next turn because of:QuoteOnce the amount of essentia invested is chosen, it cannot be altered and remains invested for 24 hours.
what it would probably say if it tripped the 1/day.
So, it bypasses one restriction but not the other?
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Quote from: McPoyo on March 30, 2010, 05:13:33 PMThey don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu.
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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The Reason the Trick Doesn't Work:When we treat the midnight x as if it had essentia invested, what should it do? Well what happens when we normally invest essentia? It trips the 1/day limit. To assume otherwise is to read into the text more than is actually there. The 'it doesn't say I can't!' argument is all that's left. Sorry guys, it seems we are left with a RAW without NI pp.
Nothing in psycarnum infusion says it trips those limits in the first place, though. "Treated as" and "fill for free right then" aren't the same thing.
as you never invest the essentia in the feat to begin with
Especially since the important part is you can only invest essentia into it once per day, unlike Soulmelds, that you can change on an every round basis if you desired. It forces you to lock in your investment to the feat once you do it.
As far as I can tell you are getting hung up on the words "essentia invested".
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By yes, she means no.
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Investing Essentia into something, and treating it like it had essentia invested, are two different things. The first case: There is actually essentia invested. The second case: There is no essentia invested, but you get to act like it actually is.The feats, much like the items, only allow you to invest essentia one time each day.Soulmelds allow you to invest essentia as many times a day as you wish, since you can change the amount of essentia invested every round, if you wished.The feats have that 1/day limit so you do not just move essentia into the feats when it is most advantageous for one round, then put it back in your soulmelds. You are forced to deal with not having access to that essentia once you invest it into the feats.Actually investing, versus acting like you invested essentia, is what we are arguing. They are two different things, as is set by precedent throughout all of 3.5. Therefor, you assertion is incorrect.
As far as I can tell you are getting hung up on the words "essentia invested". The meaning I get from it is that we are talking about any and all essentia in the receptacle, in the case of an untripped feat that would be none. So, looking at Psycarnum Infusion as a whole we treat the 0 invested essentia as the maximum capacity for the receptacle.
Quote from: Havok4 on May 07, 2010, 05:26:03 PMas you never invest the essentia in the feat to begin with "treated as if it had essentia invested" so yes the essentia is invested. If it isn't then the midnight x feats won't function at all (since there is no invested essentia to determine the -pp or free metamagic levels)
You don't gain any bonus essentia from this effect.