Need help making Cheese caster

[KellKheraptis]

Bah, Grey elf I say.

To the above, Grey Elf and Strongheart Halfling are the ideal races.  One for the bonus to Int, the other for the bonus feat and size bonii.

[Agita]

Reading it now...

Seems that he feels Whisper Gnome and Strongheart Halfling are the way to go?

Well, one is in Races of Stone and the other is in Player's Guide to Faerun, so that might pose a bit of a problem.

[Rekcuf]

Grey Elf is also in the MM1, Any variant of a base race can be used as long as it is a ECL 0, so whisper gnome, strongheart halfling, etc...

[McPoyo]

Bah, Grey elf I say.

To the above, Grey Elf and Strongheart Halfling are the ideal races.  One for the bonus to Int, the other for the bonus feat and size bonii.

Both Wrong!

Venerable Phrenic Dragonwrought Loredrake Kobold

[KellKheraptis]

Bah, Grey elf I say.

To the above, Grey Elf and Strongheart Halfling are the ideal races.  One for the bonus to Int, the other for the bonus feat and size bonii.

Both Wrong!

Venerable Phrenic Dragonwrought Loredrake Kobold

Well, assuming he can get the books all that is in, yes

[Havok4]

Bah, Grey elf I say.

To the above, Grey Elf and Strongheart Halfling are the ideal races.  One for the bonus to Int, the other for the bonus feat and size bonii.

Both Wrong!

Venerable Phrenic Dragonwrought Loredrake Kobold

Well, assuming he can get the books all that is in, yes

Also that is best for a sorcerer, not a wizard.

[KellKheraptis]

Bah, Grey elf I say.

To the above, Grey Elf and Strongheart Halfling are the ideal races.  One for the bonus to Int, the other for the bonus feat and size bonii.

Both Wrong!

Venerable Phrenic Dragonwrought Loredrake Kobold

Well, assuming he can get the books all that is in, yes

Also that is best for a sorcerer, not a wizard.

Some UM's, since they get automatic Sorc levels without actual level investment, too.

[Mixster]

Reading it now...

Seems that he feels Whisper Gnome and Strongheart Halfling are the way to go?

I think the reason people didn't suggest them and suggested the grey elf instead is that those aren't core at all, whisper gnome is races of stone (which weren't approved?) Strongheart Halfling is from players guide to faerun, so it almost requires you to worship the DM if you are not playing in a faerun setting already.

Personally I prefer strongheart halfling over whisper gnome, especially with a 50 point buy so you can go con 16+ anyway.

But grey elf isn't bad, especially at the low levels. One extra level 1 spell really helps at start-up and he can quite quickly make it a lot better. Also +1 to save DC on all your spells is usually worth the trade-off.

If Faerun is allowed to you, I think it has the otherworldly (or is that the manual of the planes? I keep forgetting) that essentially makes you an outsider, meaning alter self and polymorph goes quite wacko.

[KellKheraptis]

That would be PGtF with Otherworldly as a regional feat.  Also, look into seeing if the elven sub level works with Domain Wizard.  I think they are mutually exclusive, but can't recall for sure (extra highest level spell and extra 1 per level would rock, with no banned schools).

[Sinfire Titan]

That would be PGtF with Otherworldly as a regional feat.  Also, look into seeing if the elven sub level works with Domain Wizard.  I think they are mutually exclusive, but can't recall for sure (extra highest level spell and extra 1 per level would rock, with no banned schools).

Generalist and Domain both replace specialization. Can't use them on the same character (barring Changeling Wizard TO).

[Rekcuf]

All race subtypes are are approved.  So, since Gnomes are are accepted, Whisper gnomes are accepted. etc etc.

That opens things up a lot.  Faerun races are also approved as long as they are a subtype of a standard race or a race with 0 ECL out of the Monster Manual AND have a 0 ECL themselves.  (EG Drow are ECL2 and cannot be used as an elf subtype because of that.)

[Mixster]

Strongheart halfling for small size, +2 dex, and a feat would be my suggestion then.

[mans0011]

You know, you shouldn't discount going Wizard 6/Loremaster 10/Archmage X

Especially if you pick up Arcane Reach for your first ability.

Especially if you use Arcane Reach with Shivering Touch. Or Irresistible Dance...

Do you get to use Frostburn? I forget.

[Rekcuf]

Okay...
So, Strongheart Halfling
Domain Transmutation Wizard 5/MotAO 3

Alright, now that we've gotten that worked out... let's start moving down the line.

2 Flaws

I'm thinking for feats:  
Level 1:  Improved Init (instead of scribe scrolls), Spell Focus Transmutation, Cooperative spell
Level 3:  Spell Penetration
Level 6:  Toughening Transmutation
Level 7:  Skill Focus:  Spellcraft

[Rekcuf]

So...
I've been reading this Wizards guide to playing a GOD and...

I can't figure something out... how are they using the sculpt metamagic for free?:

Build:
Levels:
1: Conjurer (1)(Cloudy Conjuraton, Improved Initiative, Cooperative Spell)
2: Conjurer (2)
3: Conjurer (3)(Sculpt Spell)
4: Conjurer (4)
5: Conjurer (5)
6: Mage of the Arcane Order (1)(Metamagic School: Conjuration)
7: Mage of the Arcane Order (2)(Extend Spell)
8: Mage of the Arcane Order (3)
9: Mage of the Arcane Order (4)(Spell Focus: Conjuration)
10: Mage of the Arcane Order (5)
11: Mage of the Arcane Order (6)
12: Mage of the Arcane Order (7)(Augment Summoning)
13: Master Specialist (1) (Skill Focus: Spellcraft)
14: Master Specialist (2)
15: Master Specialist (3) (Rapid Spell, Spell focus - transmutation)
16: Archmage (1) Mastery of Shaping
17: Archmage (2) Spell Like Ability: Timestop
18: Archmage (3) Arcane Reach (Spell Penetration)
19: Archmage (4) Mastery of Elements
20: Archmage (5) Spell Power

Spells:
10th Level: Memorizations: 0: 6, 1: 8, 2: 8, 3: 7, 4: 6, 5: 5

0: As level 5 example
1: Mage Armor, Wall of Smoke, Grease, Expeditious Retreat (swift), Targeting Ray, Silent Image, Blockade x2
2: Web, Glitterdust x2, Cloud of Bewilderment (sculpt metamagic for free), Rope Trick, Invisibility, Create Magic Tattoo, Fog Cloud
3: Bands of Steel, Haste x2, Corpse Candle, Stinking Cloud, Dimension step, Mage Armor (greater)
4: Dimension Door, Solid Fog, Bloodstar, Wall of Sand, Assay Spell Resistance, Celerity
5: Teleport, Cloudkill, Wall of Stone (Sculpt metamagic for free), Overland Flight (extend for free), Wall of Good

Recommended magic items: Rod of extend (lesser), Headband of Intellect (+4), Pearls of power - level 1 (x 5), Rod of silent spell (lesser), Heward's handy haversack, Heward's fortifying bedroll, Amulet of health (+2), Cloak of Resistance (+2), Wand of True Casting (Total gp value: 39,750 - leaves some extra room for incedentals)

[KellKheraptis]

Metamagic School (Conjuration) is the feat from PHB II that gives 3/day 1 level reduction to a spell from the selected school of magic.  3/day free sculpting.  Now, one last idea to muddy the waters is going the "I am immune to surprise, now give me your notes" build, which would be Wizard 5/Divine Oracle 10/Any Full Caster 5, akin to the Loremaster suggested above.  You'll have more Divination capability than should be allowed, a serviceable evasion ability, Imp Uncanny Dodge, and immunity to surprise.  Aka, give me your notes, and I go first.  Remember, high level wizardry is all about rocket tag, and being able to always take an immediate action means always going first, particularly with a suite of contingencies active (even moreso since Comp Arcane is allowed, meaning Craft Contingent Spell).

[Solo]

If you take Improved Familiar for an Imp, you also get access to Commune.

[Endarire]

Metamagic School Focus is a Complete Mage feat.

I still advise being a Conjurer and taking the Abrupt Jaunt alternative class feature (Player's Handbook II 68-70).  Being able to move 10' as an IMMEDIATE action 7+ time per day is awesome.  Greater mirror image (Player's Handbook II) will sometimes substitute, but GMI requires preparation.

Also, you should never need the feat Spell Penetration when Arcane Mastery (Complete Arcane 73) allows you to take 10 on all caster level checks.  See the errata.

[KellKheraptis]

Metamagic School Focus is a Complete Mage feat.

I still advise being a Conjurer and taking the Abrupt Jaunt alternative class feature (Player's Handbook II 68-70).  Being able to move 10' as an IMMEDIATE action 7+ time per day is awesome.  Greater mirror image (Player's Handbook II) will sometimes substitute, but GMI requires preparation.

Whoops, didn't realize the feat came from CM.  Though good call on Abrupt Jaunt...I couldn't remember if it was from CM or PHBII :embarassed

[DavidWL]

Were I you, I would abuse metamorphic transfer and/or supernatural transformation.

Lots of items are way over powered - look at Bunko's

You are almost at a level where you could play a shadowcraft mage

Some skills are overpowered (UMD, tricked out Diplomacy, sleight of hand)

+1 for Conjurer taking Abrupt Jaunt

Dwoemerkeeper is (I think) in complete divine and supernatural spell is pure awesome starting at ECL 9.

Best,
David