Ghoul/Undead Character

[PhaedrusXY]

I call them shurik-hen.

the best part is that it is a valid strategy. 

And it would be a hilarious character to play.
"I trained my whole unlife in the art of cluck-fu, face me if you dare"

If Skydragonknight sees this, I forsee a cohort in his character's future in the Dragon Star game.

[Havok4]

I call them shurik-hen.

the best part is that it is a valid strategy. 

And it would be a hilarious character to play.
"I trained my whole unlife in the art of cluck-fu, face me if you dare"

If Skydragonknight sees this, I forsee a cohort in his character's future in the Dragon Star game.

If he does go that route he should pick up levels in master thrower to keep the be able to make throw two chicken with each attack as a touch attack against multiple enemies each round.

[Anklebite]

I call them shurik-hen.

the best part is that it is a valid strategy. 

And it would be a hilarious character to play.
"I trained my whole unlife in the art of cluck-fu, face me if you dare"

If Skydragonknight sees this, I forsee a cohort in his character's future in the Dragon Star game.

If he does go that route he should pick up levels in master thrower to keep the be able to make throw two chicken with each attack as a touch attack against multiple enemies each round.

the real name of this martial art is cluck chuck-fu. 

the cohort would need to be large size to palm throw chickens. his name must be the colonel.

[Surreal]

Don't forget to add on Bloodstorm Blade to the master thrower. Flurrying palm double tossing paralyzed ricocheting returning chickens...

[Havok4]

Don't forget to add on Bloodstorm Blade to the master thrower. Flurrying palm double tossing paralyzed ricocheting returning chickens...

But then by the end of your turn you would be standing in a pile of paralyzed chickens. You can quick draw an infinite number of them with little effort. Also you can eat the chickens after you are done to fulfill your flesh dependency.

[Anklebite]

Don't forget to add on Bloodstorm Blade to the master thrower. Flurrying palm double tossing paralyzed ricocheting returning chickens...

But then by the end of your turn you would be standing in a pile of paralyzed chickens. You can quick draw an infinite number of them with little effort. Also you can eat the chickens after you are done to fulfill your flesh dependency.

as an added bonus, the meat is pre-tenderized.

[wyldfire]

It seems I have one a victory for the incorpoeral undead if I wished to play one, but at the cost that there is a likely chance there could be some rather power clerics againsts us in the match.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Shroud of undeath is a low level spell, and grants one-time immunity to turning/rebuking.  Get an eternal wand of it or something.

[wyldfire]

I rolled quiet well and got 18, 18, 16, 16, 14, 14 if that might effect any suggested builds

[altpersona]

i guess paladin and monk are back on the table..

[wyldfire]

Sorry I did not stupulate before but this is an evil game so I would imagine Paladin is perhaps more likely off the table, although perhaps a codizilla might be more possible with these kind of stats.

[skydragonknight]

I call them shurik-hen.

the best part is that it is a valid strategy. 

And it would be a hilarious character to play.
"I trained my whole unlife in the art of cluck-fu, face me if you dare"

If Skydragonknight sees this, I forsee a cohort in his character's future in the Dragon Star game.

CLUCK Yes!

[Amechra]

Would he allow a wight?

Flurry of blows equals a nice amount of neg. levels

Plus, if you drain enough people, you have your own small army! Aint it grand?

[wyldfire]

I think I would have to find a template or something similar to the The Ghost savage progression.

If the ghoul gets to use his praylsis with flurry of blows does that mean a ghost could with stat drain, and obvoiusly a wight as well.

[Amechra]

Yeah, I got the idea when a friend and I were brainstorming character ideas for 1st edition AD&D.

Still, negative levels are better than paralysis, no?

[wyldfire]

Damn to many options, while I think the chicken thing would be hilarious I think the more serious players in the group would have issues

Given that I need to be ECL 5,

I see I have a couple of options,

For the ghoul I could go

Ghoul LA2/Monk 3/ using flurry of blows to to pull of the paralysis but then I still need to deal with kill my foes, and given this will be a slow leveling up game it will be a while before I am gettin gmore than one or 2 strikes with flurry so using full out attack with bite and 2x claws if I hit would be slightly more effective

Ghoul LA/Rogue 3 And try and get of my sneak attack with all three natural weapons with flanking

Ghoul LA/Cleric focusing on self buff spells heading towards some pursistant magic cheese

I could go Ghost savarge progression (or if someone else can suggest a incorporal undead template)

Incorporal/Monk to get of multply level drains or stat drains

Thanks for all your help so far guys

[skydragonknight]

You'll eventually want a Hexblade/Paladin of Tyranny cohort to debuff enemy saves.

[wyldfire]

If I was going Ghoul Cleric I thought I might try the following Build

Human Grave Touched Ghoul / Cleric 3

Str 18 (16+2)
Dex 20 (16+4)
Int 16 (14+2)
Wis 20 (18+2)
Cha 20 (18+2)

Feats:
Domains: Plannings & Undeath
Human: Weapon Finesse Natural Weapons
Lvl 1: Improved Muiltattack
Lvl 3: Pursistant Magic

[Surreal]

A cleric route is probably the strongest (anything with full casting generally is).

Ghost savage progression is pretty strong, but can potentially unbalance a game at early levels and/or make things very difficult for your DM.

I would pass on monk. You're already sucking up LA+2, so taking a medium BAB and trying to flurry means your attack bonus will be so low that you won't hit anything.

An interesting route could be to go barbarian with the berserker strength variant from Player's Handbook 2. Since you enter beserk state when your health is below 5*barbarian level, with undead d12 and no con bonus, you're pretty close to a beserk state at all times. Take the lion totem substitution (Complete Champion) to get pounce for all your natural weapons. If you'd like to get some speed back, there's the Fangshield sub (Champions of Valor) which trades trap sense for +10 speed when charging.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

yeah, at low levels incorporeality is ka-broken.  See if your Dm is willing to rearrange the abilities to be more balanced ( like undead+ draining touch at first, ethereal as a full-round shift, incorporeal at fourth, telekinesis at third with lower cl.  You know, somethig more playable