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This is MADness!
« on: April 16, 2010, 10:25:22 PM »
I just rolled stats for a PbP, 4th level, All WotC Books, and rolled these stats: 18 16 16 16 14 10. That's 54 PB.

I'm trying to brainstorm something MAD that will take advantage of these awesome stats. My first thoughts are a Str-Dex-Wis Swordsage or a PsyWar. Paladins are MAD, but I've played that before several times so basically anything but that.

So basically, what class/builds:

-require a lot of good stats
-are viable at 4th+

Or is my first impression of Swordsage / Psywar a good idea?
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 10:36:26 PM »
Or is my first impression of Swordsage / Psywar a good idea?

I feel this is a nice option, if you want to go with base classes. Another idea would be to go War Mind (Tornado Throw on two creatures!? HELL YEAH!!!1!)

Something like Swordsage X/War Mind 10/ Swordsage +X, and take Improved Trip (you're gonna be huge with Expansion, so might as well take advantage of that size)...

EDIT: I don't think you will be able to pick Tornado Throw, but the other tripping maneuvers are just as good...

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 10:37:41 PM »
I recommend binder for this as with those awesome stats you will be able to fill many roles easily. One day you could be a melee specialist and the next an archer and the next a debuffer.

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2010, 10:41:34 PM »
You're looking for MAD classes and no one's said 2 levels of monk? :p
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2010, 10:46:54 PM »
You're looking for MAD classes and no one's said 2 levels of monk? :p

MAD as in multiple attribute dependency, not insanity, which you would have to be to play a monk. Not even uber stats can redeem them...  :smirk
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2010, 10:47:33 PM »
Never played a Binder. There's a Handbook somewhere, I'd bet. That could be fun. That reminds me of Factotum, which has every stat to everything...might have to gestalt those two sometime to make a character who does absolutely everything. But yeah, back to Binder:

Feats would be probably Improved Bind Vestige (or whatever it's called). Any other "must haves"?

You're looking for MAD classes and no one's said 2 levels of monk? :p

Monk is an optimal feat source, not a build. ;)  Though Monk+ Tashalatora PsyWar is an option...
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 10:48:44 PM »
2 levels of the passive way variant from UA are damn nice for a tripper.

edit: improved binding. the one you mentioned sucks.

edit2: or is it practiced binder? yea, that one.

edit3: nope, was right the first time.
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 10:52:16 PM »
Though Monk+ Tashalatora PsyWar is an option...
Can you combine Tashalatora with Fist of Zuoken(sp)? What about with psi-artificer?

What about a Shapeshift druid?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 10:55:24 PM by Prime32 »
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2010, 10:55:17 PM »
Is there any other way to acquire still mind than a 3rd level of monk? 'Cause that is a goddamn painful level.

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 10:57:17 PM »
Though Monk+ Tashalatora PsyWar is an option...
Can you combine Tashalatora with Fist of Zuoken(sp)? What about with psi-artificer?

A Psy Artificer with Kung-Fu? Wow. Pity Wandstrike is just 1d6 and not unarmed damage.

Edit: Yes, you can combine with Fist of Zuoken, but I don't think the Monk levels stack twice. I'd have to argue with the DM and probably lose.
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2010, 11:30:52 PM »
What about a Shapeshift druid?

Interesting...maybe a Warforged for the whole "Beast Wars" feel?
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 11:32:38 PM »
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2010, 11:34:50 PM »
"A monk may not use eldritch claws as part of her flurry of blows."

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 11:39:34 PM »
"A monk may not use eldritch claws as part of her flurry of blows."

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But does that just mean that they can't treat them as unarmed strikes? Even if they can't flurry with the claws themselves, they can use them as secondary attacks.
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 11:42:37 PM »
"A monk may not use eldritch claws as part of her flurry of blows."

:(
But does that just mean that they can't treat them as unarmed strikes? Even if they can't flurry with the claws themselves, they can use them as secondary attacks.

...with Eldritch Glaive as the Primary? Though you'd need the Short Hilt feat to technically make that work.
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2010, 11:50:12 PM »
...with Eldritch Glaive as the Primary? Though you'd need the Short Hilt feat to technically make that work.
No, the claws replace your eldritch blast while they're out. I meant that you could flurry with unarmed strikes, then make secondary attacks with the claws.

And I'm pretty sure that since eldritch glaive is a melee touch attack you can deliver it through unarmed strikes anyway (though you roll against normal AC).
« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 11:52:21 PM by Prime32 »
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2010, 11:54:42 PM »
Seems possible, though there's very little die size growth synergy between the two...though the warlock could use wands of all the appropriate spells. So yeah, build it and post it up somewhere. Though I don't know how to make warlock count as a psionic class....you'd have to use a ton of effective monk level boosting items.
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2010, 12:16:58 AM »
So Monk 1/Shapeshift Druid X is a good use of stats.
Or Monk 1/PsyWar X
Or Binder
or Swordsage.

Alright, that's probably enough options to work with. The only one that would might me trouble is Binder. I'm guessing that instead of focusing on a single trick from the handbook I should opt for versatility. How does Binder/Chameleon mix? Good, or not well at all?
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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2010, 01:23:34 AM »
Never played a Binder. There's a Handbook somewhere, I'd bet. That could be fun. That reminds me of Factotum, which has every stat to everything...might have to gestalt those two sometime to make a character who does absolutely everything. But yeah, back to Binder:

Feats would be probably Improved Bind Vestige (or whatever it's called). Any other "must haves"?

Ignore special special requirements is a big one, and expel vestige with the Seals of Spirits of the common used vestige could work.

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Re: This is MADness!
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2010, 02:12:31 AM »
Ooh, and that whatsitcalled, a vestige phylactery.