Psionic qualification for Swiftblade

[Kylas]

If you take Spell to Power Erudite variant.  Study a Trapsmith (dungeonscape) scroll for Haste as level 1 power.  Then take Ardent with the Magic Mantle, which lets you treat magic and psionics as the same even in terms of using a null psionics field in place of an antimagic field.  And you also take conflict mantle, which gives you weapon focus with any weapon for free, (though if that doesn't count as MWP then take mantled Psychic Warrior with Magic Mantle.)  Then as long as you take the other prerequisites for Swiftblade you qualify by RAI at least, amirite guys?

[bearsarebrown]

No, not by RAI. Or by RAW. You simply are not an Arcane Spellcasting Class. Or casting Haste.

Transparency only goes so far. Would a DM allow it though? Maybe.

[Agita]

No, not by RAI. Or by RAW. You simply are not an Arcane Spellcasting Class. Or casting Haste.

Transparency only goes so far. Would a DM allow it though? Maybe.

This.
If you get the DM to houserule a psionic Swiftblade, though, you might as well just enter with regular Psionic Haste.

[SorO_Lost]

No, not by RAI. Or by RAW. You simply are not an Arcane Spellcasting Class. Or casting Haste.

Transparency only goes so far. Would a DM allow it though? Maybe.

If you get the DM to houserule a psionic Swiftblade, though, you might as well just enter with regular Psionic Haste.

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[CantripN]

That said, most DMs would allow this, and I'd wager most would allow a Cleric with Spontanesous Domain Casting (Time Domain) to qualify as well.

But RAW? No.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

No, not by RAI. Or by RAW. You simply are not an Arcane Spellcasting Class. Or casting Haste.

Transparency only goes so far. Would a DM allow it though? Maybe.

Well, powers are technically SLAs, and I think that there's a clause about being able to SLA a specific spell counts as being able to cast it.

but being arcane is still an issue.

[Kylas]

You guys are all ignorant, just ignorant.  Hee Hee * crotch grab, spin,*  Ja'mon. 

I know it wont advance my manifester level but it doesn't actually say that I have to use arcane spells.  Just Have to 'cast' haste.  And use all my 3rd level spell slots the level before i grab the class. So i use all 0 of my 3rd level slots.  But I guess that's stretching it.  I do think I have a good argument for a DM though.

[Surreal]

That said, most DMs would allow this, and I'd wager most would allow a Cleric with Spontanesous Domain Casting (Time Domain) to qualify as well.

But RAW? No.

I wouldn't allow it, but I'm one of those that feels the different systems/classes/etc should have features or abilities that are unique to them.

[CantripN]

Define "unique". An Archivist Incantatrix or a Cleric Warweaver feels just fine. So long as it's not broken and doesn't stretch the rules too much, I'd allow it.

[PhaedrusXY]

I think that there's a clause about being able to SLA a specific spell counts as being able to cast it

There is. It is in Complete Arcane, where Warlocks were introduced.

[Negative Zero]

Okay, if you're desperate to qualify, here goes.

Get a Drakehelm with Haste in it, or a Haste Knowstone. Take the feat that lets you cast a few cantrips, giving you Arcane Caster Level 1. Take Precocious Apprentice, netting you a level 2 spell slot. Heighten + Earth Spell (or a metamagic reducer on Heighten) lets you heighten a cantrip into that level 2 slot, raising it to level 3. Take Practiced Spellcaster to get that caster level from 1 to 5, allowing you to take Extra Slot, granting you a spell slot one level lower than you are able to cast. With Heighten, you can cast a level 3 spell, so you get another level 2 slot. You can now use Versatile Spellcaster (assuming those cantrips are spontaneously cast. If they aren't, you need another feat to let you cast something spontaneously) to create a third level slot, which you can cast Haste out of.

Phew. Note, this convoluted plan would devastate any character trying to undertake it. If you can't retrain feats (or use DCFS/PsyRef), don't even begin to think about trying this.

[Surreal]

Define "unique". An Archivist Incantatrix or a Cleric Warweaver feels just fine. So long as it's not broken and doesn't stretch the rules too much, I'd allow it.

Well, take that "iconic spells" thread for example. The various casters have their iconic spells; to me, those kinds of spells should remain unique to their spell list. It adds to the overall flavour of the class. Other classes have unique feature/abilities/etc, and I don't feel you should be able to reproduce them (easily) with just a feat or spell, or if you do they shouldn't be as good as the original.

[SorO_Lost]

Phew. Note, this convoluted plan would devastate any character trying to undertake it. If you can't retrain feats (or use DCFS/PsyRef), don't even begin to think about trying this.

Normally I'd just say hell no. But you know what, you can cast haste once a day, you have no benefit from the caster advancement and you blew all your feats up to the 9th level with flaws just to cut into swiftblade.

I'd allow based on the fact you won't be breaking the game. I'd further recommend the party to play races with high level adjustment as an attempt to keep the party relatively balanced. Perhaps someone would like the opportunity play a Evolve Vampire Lord or something and would welcome the chance.

[nijineko]

You can now use Versatile Spellcaster (assuming those cantrips are spontaneously cast. If they aren't, you need another feat to let you cast something spontaneously) to create a third level slot, which you can cast Haste out of.

sorry, but that wording doesn't quite work, as the versatile spellcaster feat does not create a higher level slot, it specifically says that you can use two lower level slots to cast a spell that you know of one level higher than the two slots you gave up.

however if you only need to be able to cast the spell, and not have the slot, you're good as far as that point goes.

hmmm, where is swiftblade found again?

[BruceLeeroy]

If SLA's would qualify for specific spells required, then would Fire-Souled get you in, assuming you met the other prerequisites?

[Kylas]

You can now use Versatile Spellcaster (assuming those cantrips are spontaneously cast. If they aren't, you need another feat to let you cast something spontaneously) to create a third level slot, which you can cast Haste out of.

sorry, but that wording doesn't quite work, as the versatile spellcaster feat does not create a higher level slot, it specifically says that you can use two lower level slots to cast a spell that you know of one level higher than the two slots you gave up.

however if you only need to be able to cast the spell, and not have the slot, you're good as far as that point goes.

hmmm, where is swiftblade found again?

as far as i know its only found here.  http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327

[nijineko]

thank you.

[Negative Zero]

If SLA's would qualify for specific spells required, then would Fire-Souled get you in, assuming you met the other prerequisites?

Don't forget the massive LA on Fire-Souled - Crystalkeep is wrong there.

You can now use Versatile Spellcaster (assuming those cantrips are spontaneously cast. If they aren't, you need another feat to let you cast something spontaneously) to create a third level slot, which you can cast Haste out of.

sorry, but that wording doesn't quite work, as the versatile spellcaster feat does not create a higher level slot, it specifically says that you can use two lower level slots to cast a spell that you know of one level higher than the two slots you gave up.

Hm, you've got a point. In that case, the only way to fulfill that requirement that I can think of would be metamagic reducers on Heighten, until you can cast a level 4 spell, then use Extra Slot to get a level 3 slot, which you'd fill with Haste. So, yeah. That's fun.

[PhaedrusXY]

You can now use Versatile Spellcaster (assuming those cantrips are spontaneously cast. If they aren't, you need another feat to let you cast something spontaneously) to create a third level slot, which you can cast Haste out of.

sorry, but that wording doesn't quite work, as the versatile spellcaster feat does not create a higher level slot, it specifically says that you can use two lower level slots to cast a spell that you know of one level higher than the two slots you gave up.

He does know it. He mentioned in the very beginning that you'd need a Drake Helm or Knowstone. Those both add it to your spells known.

[Endarire]

Where is this psionic haste printed and how can I get it?