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Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« on: April 01, 2010, 03:54:21 AM »
Conjurer5/Incantatrix3/Master Conjurer1/Veil7/Whatever.

Has anyone played this monstrosity?  It seems like you'd be nearly invincible and your party could be too with Ocular, Chain, and Persist.
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2010, 04:44:29 AM »
Clearly you need to add some SCM into there.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2010, 04:58:15 AM »
Clearly you need to add some SCM into there.

this is clearly your 'whatever'. And be an illusionist. With SCM, illusionist becomes THE best school.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2010, 05:46:23 AM »
Clearly you need to add some SCM into there.
I thought you were going to say BM. I would have said IS.

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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2010, 02:32:08 PM »
And while you're at it, add some Dweomerkeeper.

But seriously, you're asking about combining the best offensive wizard PrC and the best defensive wizard PrC.  Yeah it works.  A pity it's difficult to get both capstones before Epic.

Edit: Why are you taking master specialist so late?  you can take it at level 4 IIRC.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2010, 02:35:51 PM »
And while you're at it, add some Dweomerkeeper.

But seriously, you're asking about combining the best offensive wizard PrC and the best defensive wizard PrC.  Yeah it works.  A pity it's difficult to get both capstones before Epic.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2010, 03:07:13 PM »
Clearly you need to add some SCM into there.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2010, 03:10:33 PM »
Clearly you need to add some SCM into there.
Or Warweaver.
question: can you cast silent image emulating a tapestry-eglible spell into the tapestry. can you cast a tapestry-eglible figment(not that i know any) emulating a non-eglible spell into the tapestry?
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2010, 05:47:10 PM »
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2010, 07:38:42 PM »
And while you're at it, add some Dweomerkeeper.

But seriously, you're asking about combining the best offensive wizard PrC and the best defensive wizard PrC.  Yeah it works.  A pity it's difficult to get both capstones before Epic.

Edit: Why are you taking master specialist so late?  you can take it at level 4 IIRC.
Can Wizard3/Incanatrix10/IotSV7 be done? Hm....

I guess we have early entry tricks for a reason...

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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2010, 07:40:28 PM »
And while you're at it, add some Dweomerkeeper.

But seriously, you're asking about combining the best offensive wizard PrC and the best defensive wizard PrC.  Yeah it works.  A pity it's difficult to get both capstones before Epic.

Edit: Why are you taking master specialist so late?  you can take it at level 4 IIRC.
Can Wizard3/Incanatrix10/IotSV7 be done? Hm....

I guess we have early entry tricks for a reason...
Yes, it can.

And while you're at it, add some Dweomerkeeper.

But seriously, you're asking about combining the best offensive wizard PrC and the best defensive wizard PrC.  Yeah it works.  A pity it's difficult to get both capstones before Epic.
I might as well jump on the pimping bandwagon: Rebuilding. :P

Though early entry tricks (Sanctum Spell?) would work just as well, I suppose.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2010, 11:17:20 PM »
Lets see...

We handle skill points via the Quickstep so we can get our 8 ranks in a skill  before level 5.

Feats:
Iron Will (1st)
Extend Spell (Flaw 1)
Sanctum Spell (Flaw 2)
Precocious Apprentice (Human Bonus)

That gives us 3rd level spells at first or second level, along with the appropriate skill ranks, if we can afford the cost of the skill point quickstep.

If money is no object, we can pull of the following:

Wizard 1/Incantrix 10 / Iot7FV 7 / 2 something else.

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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 01:30:32 AM »
What's this Quickstep and how do you use it for early entry?
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2010, 02:29:00 PM »
What's this Quickstep and how do you use it for early entry?

Step 1: Turn into something with an Extraordinary ability to eat creatures and gain extra hit dice. I think Polymorphing into a Dusk Giant is the standard.
Step 2: Eat chickens. Gain HD. Yum.
Step 3: Psychic Reformation to transfer the skill points you gained from your actual levels (and not the temporary HD) into the skills you want. Since you have more HD, the maximum number of skill points in each skill is increased.
Step 4: End the Polymorph and Feed effects, returning to normal. Your skill points stay in the skills above your normal cap.
Step 5: ???
Step 6: Profit! (I mean, early PrC entry)
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2010, 02:50:57 PM »

Step 6: Profit! (I mean, early PrC entry)
early entry IS profit.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2010, 04:30:29 PM »
How do you polymorph into a Dusk Giant at level 1 or 2?
Hood - My first answer to all your build questions; past, present, and future.

Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2010, 04:40:19 PM »
How do you polymorph into a Dusk Giant at level 1 or 2?

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or you could do the elan->phage->anything else alter self chain.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2010, 04:42:44 PM »
You hire an NPC to cast it for you, hence my comment about finances.  When I originally posted the quickstep, after Doc Roc & I came up with it, it was used to let a level six Kobold qualify for Epic Spellcasting, so hiring an NPC was more affordable.  I think I've got the cost figures hanging around:

Casting of Psychic Reformation: (405) (to pay for the 25 xp the npc expends)
Casting of Polymorph: (280)
A farm full of chickens / cows / etc. (variable cost)

If you're a wizard with a book full of spells, you could probably just sell that to raise the cash, relying on the spells currently in your memory to meet the  incantrix pre-reqs, then acquire another spellbook while you're second level.  Or just use any of the many and varied ways to break the D&D economy in half.
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Re: Incantatrix of the Sevenfold Veil: Is this smeshy or what?
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2010, 04:46:42 PM »

A farm full of chickens / cows / etc. (variable cost)
there is a listed cost in the PHB for chickens, cows and goats if I recall.
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