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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #720 on: April 12, 2010, 11:06:37 PM »
Q159:
What's a good class to take after Dungeon Crashing Fighter 6 / Warforged Juggernaut 5? (So need a class(es) for 9 levels  :p)

Not ToB, now Wizards/Druids (WLD, bad place for wizards & Druids), No 'Summon X', 'Web' or 'Entangle' spells, No [teleportation] spells. No homebrew either, and it must be official WotC.

We will have an Artificer in the party, possibly Warforged himself. I will be taking ranks in Craft (Constructs) so I can repair myself, in case I ever get separated from the Artificer.
Have you potentially considered Incarnum or other equipment-light classes? I take it psionics are out as well.

Argh. Psionics, ToM, and Incarnum are all banned  :nonono

No homebrew, so no Lighning Warrior :(

Man, that seriously restricts your options for fun...

Unless you want to go nuts with using all your attributes to everything. Swashbuckler/Duelist dips, Fist of the Forest, you name it.

Alternatively, either take a Cleric dip or four levels of Paladin for Cha whoring.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #721 on: April 12, 2010, 11:17:11 PM »
Q159:
What's a good class to take after Dungeon Crashing Fighter 6 / Warforged Juggernaut 5? (So need a class(es) for 9 levels  :p)

Not ToB, now Wizards/Druids (WLD, bad place for wizards & Druids), No 'Summon X', 'Web' or 'Entangle' spells, No [teleportation] spells. No homebrew either, and it must be official WotC.

We will have an Artificer in the party, possibly Warforged himself. I will be taking ranks in Craft (Constructs) so I can repair myself, in case I ever get separated from the Artificer.
Have you potentially considered Incarnum or other equipment-light classes? I take it psionics are out as well.

Argh. Psionics, ToM, and Incarnum are all banned  :nonono

No homebrew, so no Lighning Warrior :(

Man, that seriously restricts your options for fun...

Unless you want to go nuts with using all your attributes to everything. Swashbuckler/Duelist dips, Fist of the Forest, you name it.

Alternatively, either take a Cleric dip or four levels of Paladin for Cha whoring.

Stats are: Str15, Dex14, Con18, Int9, Wis11, Cha8  (Rolled) Can switch Int & Wis around if I need to. Level 4 = +1 Str, level 8 = +1 Int.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #722 on: April 13, 2010, 02:35:12 AM »
Q160: Is there a way to use Ride-By-Attack without shooting yourself in the foot?

It seems like you'd have to charge straight into your opponent, but you can't overrun, and thus activate the feat by continuing past. The Rules of the Game article mentions moving away in another direction and refers to the FAQ, but the FAQ doesn't include anything like that (at least, not the latest version).
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #723 on: April 13, 2010, 02:41:51 AM »
Q160: Is there a way to use Ride-By-Attack without shooting yourself in the foot?

It seems like you'd have to charge straight into your opponent, but you can't overrun, and thus activate the feat by continuing past. The Rules of the Game article mentions moving away in another direction and refers to the FAQ, but the FAQ doesn't include anything like that (at least, not the latest version).
There's nothing that says you cannot overrun. Just saying.
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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #724 on: April 13, 2010, 03:06:40 AM »
Ride-By-Attack requires a charge.

From pg. 157 of the PHB: "You can attempt an overrun as a standard action taken during your
move, but not a charge."
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #725 on: April 13, 2010, 03:11:42 AM »
Ride-By-Attack requires a charge.

From pg. 157 of the PHB: "You can attempt an overrun as a standard action taken during your
move, but not a charge."
Here's what mine says "You can attempt an overrun as a standard action taken during your move, or as part of a charge."

Edit: Correction, mine is pre-errata. You are correct.

So, charge them to a square not occupied, so that you pass by them. As long as you don't start centered to them, it's doable.
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #726 on: April 13, 2010, 05:50:03 AM »
Q159:
What's a good class to take after Dungeon Crashing Fighter 6 / Warforged Juggernaut 5? (So need a class(es) for 9 levels  :p)

Not ToB, now Wizards/Druids (WLD, bad place for wizards & Druids), No 'Summon X', 'Web' or 'Entangle' spells, No [teleportation] spells. No homebrew either, and it must be official WotC.

We will have an Artificer in the party, possibly Warforged himself. I will be taking ranks in Craft (Constructs) so I can repair myself, in case I ever get separated from the Artificer.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #727 on: April 13, 2010, 08:27:14 AM »
Q159:
What's a good class to take after Dungeon Crashing Fighter 6 / Warforged Juggernaut 5? (So need a class(es) for 9 levels  :p)

Not ToB, now Wizards/Druids (WLD, bad place for wizards & Druids), No 'Summon X', 'Web' or 'Entangle' spells, No [teleportation] spells. No homebrew either, and it must be official WotC.

We will have an Artificer in the party, possibly Warforged himself. I will be taking ranks in Craft (Constructs) so I can repair myself, in case I ever get separated from the Artificer.

Are ther any ways for a Warforged to either get large or powerful build? If there are, yeah. I'll take War Hulk. (Stupid PA & Cleave...)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #728 on: April 13, 2010, 08:35:10 AM »
There's the Warforged Charger from MM3, but it has prohibitive HD/LA.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #729 on: April 13, 2010, 09:04:18 AM »
Are ther any ways for a Warforged to either get large or powerful build? If there are, yeah. I'll take War Hulk. (Stupid PA & Cleave...)

Be a Psychic Warrior, then use Expansion, or persist Righteous Might as a Cleric.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #730 on: April 13, 2010, 11:13:59 AM »
Or just make your own magic item like a cloak of some kind that's got Enlarge Person, or has Expansion on it. That's what we did for our player with the War Hulk. The on thing you'll have to watch out for is if you're an intelligent character, you'll really want to reconsider that option because you lose all INT based skills, and gain no BAB. He was okay because of his being a merolith dragon (four claws, bite, two wings, horns, and a tail) and pounce, but other people wouldn't be so lucky.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #731 on: April 13, 2010, 11:27:20 AM »
Or just make your own magic item like a cloak of some kind that's got Enlarge Person, or has Expansion on it. That's what we did for our player with the War Hulk. The on thing you'll have to watch out for is if you're an intelligent character, you'll really want to reconsider that option because you lose all INT based skills, and gain no BAB. He was okay because of his being a merolith dragon (four claws, bite, two wings, horns, and a tail) and pounce, but other people wouldn't be so lucky.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #732 on: April 13, 2010, 11:28:53 AM »
Fair enough. Our player already had WIS 8 and CHA 10 anyways, but his INT was 14 and he'd been playing a psychic rogue before that so it was the main aspect that the DM brought up to him.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #733 on: April 13, 2010, 12:43:07 PM »
Or just make your own magic item like a cloak of some kind that's got Enlarge Person, or has Expansion on it. That's what we did for our player with the War Hulk. The on thing you'll have to watch out for is if you're an intelligent character, you'll really want to reconsider that option because you lose all INT based skills, and gain no BAB. He was okay because of his being a merolith dragon (four claws, bite, two wings, horns, and a tail) and pounce, but other people wouldn't be so lucky.
If it is from a magic item, he can always just take/turn it off if he wants to use skills... Of course this won't work in the middle of combat, but most "mental" skills are useless in combat, anyway. Of course... there are exceptions... like knowledge can come in pretty handy, even w/o Knowledge Devotion. But if you're playing a War Hulk... you're probably not the "knowledge guy"... unless you're RPing the Hulk or something...
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #734 on: April 13, 2010, 01:01:20 PM »
War hulk is one of the few instances where loosing the prerequisites for a class is beneficial to the character. And as phaedrusXY said it is one of the best ways to imitate the hulk.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #735 on: April 13, 2010, 02:14:57 PM »
Isn't there a rage variant that gives you powerful build or a size increase when you use it, somewhere?
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Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #736 on: April 13, 2010, 02:21:56 PM »
Isn't there a rage variant that gives you powerful build or a size increase when you use it, somewhere?
Goliath Barbarians increase to Large and lose Powerful Build when they rage.

Also worth noting that Powerful Build does not qualify you for things requiring Large size. It's clear in the RAW and in Q&As.

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« Reply #737 on: April 13, 2010, 02:32:38 PM »
Isn't there a rage variant that gives you powerful build or a size increase when you use it, somewhere?
Goliath Barbarians increase to Large and lose Powerful Build when they rage.

Also worth noting that Powerful Build does not qualify you for things requiring Large size. It's clear in the RAW and in Q&As.
So Bruce Banner was a goliath, got it.
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #738 on: April 13, 2010, 03:01:48 PM »
Quote from: fluffles
Are ther any ways for a Warforged to either get large or powerful build? If there are, yeah. I'll take War Hulk. (Stupid PA & Cleave...)
Belt of the Behemoth from Secrets of Xen'drik is a Warforged only item that lets you increase in size to Large.  I think it only works 1/day, but perhaps DM will let you customize to work 3 or 4/day.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #739 on: April 13, 2010, 03:05:48 PM »
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Are ther any ways for a Warforged to either get large or powerful build? If there are, yeah. I'll take War Hulk. (Stupid PA & Cleave...)
Belt of the Behemoth from Secrets of Xen'drik is a Warforged only item that lets you increase in size to Large.  I think it only works 1/day, but perhaps DM will let you customize to work 3 or 4/day.
There was also a ring in Savage Species that increased your size by +1. Although it required Enlarge Person for crafting, it didn't specify that it only worked on humanoids, and given the book it was in, I don't think we can extrapolate that to necessarily be RAI for it, either.
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